01-25-1978
The Planning and Zoning Commission convened in regular session Wednesday,
January 25, 1978, at.7:00 P.M. in the. Municipal Building Conference Room,
1400 Live Oak Road with the following present:
P & Z MEMBERS Staff Present
Adolph Aguilar - Chairman Joe Garza - Adm. Asst.
John Lineberger - 3~ice Chairman Bob Jacobson - City Insp..
Betty Wise - Recorder
Ray Stanhope Visitors
Charles Sharp
Jack Stomackin Coy Simmons - Developer
Craig Holmig - Engineer
Len Boyd -Insurance Agent
Gene Sisk - Lawyer
#1 CALL TO ORDER: Chairman Aguilar ca17ed the meeting to order
at 7:00 P.M.
#2 Approval of minutes: January 11, 1978
#3 P.C. - 20 Oak Forest Subdivision. The commission discussed and
reviewed for approval or disapproval the Oak Forest Subdivision
Master Plan a ~t was evident during the discussion that there
has been some question about the use of the "50 ft. easement"
running along the northern boundries of the Subdivision.
The "50 ft. easement" had been previously discussed as is noted
in the P & Z minutes of February 26, 1975. It was recommended
(1975) that the Oak Forest have a second entrance exist. The
recommendation is still valid. At the present time there is
only one entrance/exist accessible to the homes that are
situated behind the houses that face F.M. 3009.
Mr. Cqy Simmons, developer of Oak Forest Subdivision is aware
of the need of a second entrance/exist, and stated that to
develop the "50 ft. easement" properly as the second entrance/
exist would be too costly. Ne proposed to build an additional
access to the subdivision. The additional access will be
located near .that area that will align with Fawn Dr, in Dear
Haven. This additional access will meet all the :requirements.
of Schertz, Texas Subdivision Ord.
Since there will be an additional access (entrance/exist)
facing Fawn Dr. that would meet-all the requirements of the
Schertz, Texas Subdivision Ord. Mr. Sharpe recommended that
the "50 ft. easement" be made part of the subdivision and be
developed into a paved entrance/exist. This new road should
be constructed providing adequate drainage -equal to the
existing structure on Circle Oak. The structure on Circle
oak consists of four-24 inch corregated steel pipe with
concrete head walls. Mr. Simmons agreed to build the
(50 ft. easement) road with drainage comparable to the Circle
Oak Road.
Mr. Simmons was asked about an open space area that was to be
dedicated for a playground or park. Mr. Simmons presented his
plan for that land that would be dedicated, as Lot 1 Block 9.
Mr. Simmons has been cooperative in an effort to fulfill the
requirements in developing the Oak Forest Subdivision.
Mr. Sharpe made the motion that the Oak Forest Subdivision be
_ approved for further development of Unit 2 with the following
~:..stipu1ations:
opposite raven urive, veer Haven ~upaiv~s~on, as part of
development of Unit 2.
2. Prior to any further development (after completion of Unit 2),
Mr. C. Simmons agrees to:
a. Secure the right-of-way (50ft. easement) street named
Crest Oak, as identified on the January 1978 Master Plan
for Oak Forest, from F.M.-3009.
b. Crest Oak will be'improved to comply with the existing
subdivision Ordinance, excluding drainage requirements as
specified in C. below.
c. The drainage under the road bed of Crest Oak, where it
intersects F.M. 3009 will be constructed at least equal
tothe existing drainage structure on Circle Oak, which
consists of four (4) each, twenty-four (24) inch corregated
steel pipes with concrete wall heads.
3. Mr. C. Simmons will be provided a copy of these minutes as
ammended and will provide the commission written acknowledgement
upon receipt. Any disagreement or misunderstanding of the
contents of these minutes, request Mr. C. Simmons approach the
commission at the earliest regular meeting.
4. Recornmend that Lot 1 Block 9, Unit 2, Oak Forest, as proposed
by Mr. C. Simmons be noted as land to be dedicated to the City
fora park area.
Mr. John Linebarger seconded the motion and the vote was
unanimous.
#4 P.C. 18 North Cliff Community Section one proposed changes were
cancelled by the developers.
#5 General Discussion: No items of discussion
#6 Meeting Adjourned at 9:25 p.m.
1'1111u VGO aNp.+a. v v cu ,
Motion, John Liabarger approve them as written Seconded Red-B~a~epe by
Jack Stomackin
All those in favor approved
'Item 3 ishe Oak Forest Sudivision and review the master plan approved or
disapprov o I am assuming that the master plan is what we received last
meeting is that correct.
Last week we also asked the City if they would give us copies of the
previous meeting and any thing that took place in the discussion of
the oak Forest Sub,
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Do I hear any comments: f
4, I do know that the easement in r€c}u.estixtg at that time er street which name.
_ was Crest ~,k i thinko or was that side street named thato Does that
thing have a name. It had. a name on the old one Crest Oak , designated
city street I supposed That is not really part of the Subdivision
No that was the originally ideal but some other streets or lando
Joe: On our minutes of Feba 2~, 1975 we had the following existed on
Clover oak street and Oak Forest that may be a typegraphical error
I think what itt referrs to Crest Oak and the old proposed subdivision
on Dated 66 on the prelimanaryo
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John: Mro Simmons has proposed that a bridge be built over: this is
Fawn here and Antler here: build some sort of bridge over here a~ae adjacent
to A.e~3e~ Fawn rather th build in this area here. The reason for the
cost of
We ssked for a copy of the previous minutes
Referring to the same notes of Feb, 26 it says t~.ea~- that the property o~zners on
both sides of the street pay half cost for the paving the City will pay cost
for the curbing.
The thought has come to mind that:
to All the streets ~Y~.at we have ~$e~.-ems paved and curbed all came under
Urban Renewal with that come under the same policy here:
Are they referring to in the City or just to the subdivision or the City of Schertz
aee
Joe: I would assume their referring to the Subdivision and our present
Community Development Program is not classified as a low ~@ moderate income
area, AS fax as 8e~ttas~ie~ty Community Development monies or Urban Renewal
monies they are not refundable
In this case another question I have here is: On both sides of the street
and there are not any houses on that side of the street there all going
this way, On Crest Oak
Iazy Oak would intersect ito
I think the problem were having here is trying to define 6~e~e~-8ak what
-~a"" Clover A.e Oak Sto is. I thing that the way it is applied here which seems
¢'`t, ~ more it would be ~ either Lazy Oak or C~.- Clover Oak. So see you would
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`r' ~„{~•~'have property owners on both sides of streeto
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I thing just to verify our point I believe one t~. of the items we are having
t a difficulty alining with present claims is the easement area that lies from
,y:_ ~ north western side of this lot or the northside of this development and I
r_:%`~t ` think by reading paragraph ~ OF WHERE Mro Sharp made the motion about the
don't recall anything on Crest Oak because it was completely out of the
subdivision and it was not even my property and I think we determined it
had never been annexed by the city. I remember the interest problem, that's
what keeps coming back to me The city paved this portion from this point on
out. Mr Simmons was this the same master plan: that you submitted in 1975?
Yes, do we have a copy of that? We have a different one that shows differen
configurations. Have you got a copy of the master plan? The one that su~~~tted
in 1975? Tt showed Crest Oak in here up to this point. I never heard of that
Clover Oak. Heres Crest Oak right here and based on what Joe said awhile
ago which he -he sand C1 over and Crest Oak are one in the same. Well I think
on the first paragraph 4 Clover Oak refers to Crest Oak. The second paragraph
paragraph 5 refers - to this Circle Oak. .Clover Oak Street in which in to be
paved by Coy Simmons ~s a accomplished fact and this Crest Oak ~`°there was never
anytime where that was to be paved by-you. Wheres Clover Oak at on this map?
There is no Clover Oak. Well thats what I say .The paving should have been
Circle Oak which he did, yes but what I'm talking about is if you would look
at your paragraph 4~ the part that you are now saying should be Crest Oak it
says contention upon the removal of the word "easement" from that portion of
Clover Oak Street, if you read that as Crest Oak Street, Crest Oak Street
which is to be paved by Mr. Simmons I'm simply saying that doesn't make
any sense because it was never any agreement or any plan or anything else
at that time that this is to be paved by Mr. Simmons. a?id that is what
paragraph 4 says,.No I think paragraph 4 sir says has to do with the easement
where it says in here, .this Clover Oak should read Crest.0ak and then paragraph
5 when they talk about pavement, yes but read the rest of paragraph 4 right
here sir... it says which is to be paved by Mr. Simmons and all T'm saying is
that if they were talking about this they-:wene in error about paving. Well if
T may most subdivision developers pave .their streets Yes, but what I'm saying
is that this is not Mr. Simmons street. He didn't own the property, I know that
but that was the intention of the board at that time I think to remove the ease-
ment, what does it take to remove an easement. No sir, I think I can clarify that.
Let me talk just one second here please, When the City of Schertz annexed
this property this .Lazy Oaks and this Circle Oak was designated as a road easement-
the city did not accept this property when they annexed it as it was not determined
a street it was designated as a road easement and Circle Oak was designated as a
road easement and whenever I put in Unit I a couple of years ago, at my expense
T agreed to have Lazy Oakssurveyed provided the field notes, and we changed that
to a road easement to a street and I think thats what the confusion is on the
easements here.- Oo you agree with that? There is some confusion. I can show
you some documents alomst where I did it, I have the forms here..I remember when
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he first put Shady Oak in, he said he would come on down to't a corner and go
half ways. Then we got into a discussion with the city all the way out to the
property line. The City, Coy it was .County and State to get with that drainage
problem down there. Thats right. But as far as up here I think we don't have
If this thing develops any further than what it has to have
-Could T~clari-Fy this? This is my letter to the City ofSchertz in April of 1975
and this was probably after a series of meetings but enclosed is the field notes
and you have a copy of those for street dedication in the event they are needed
and this was based upon a request by Mr. Arnold. It is my understanding that
these field notes are for Lazy Oak Street and Circle Oak Street excluding that
part which is included in Oak Forest Unit 1 recently approved by the City Council
Tt appears to me that these streets should be dedicated in view of the fact the
Oak Forest Subdivision was annexed by the City of Schertz several years ago. In;
formation available to me indicates fast action is required in order to CCMA to
complete their work.~'Now I provided (this was my expense) the survey and the
field notes and the plat map to the City of Schertz and again repeating all of.. these
people in these tin houses, there was not a street in front of their houses on their
deed all of these properties were sold by meets and bounds On their meets and
bounds it stipulates that they have a road easement and thats what it specifies
and they we changed this and presented it to the City. I think you were with the
city. Where you with the City? I don't think so: That is what the easement
situtation .was, now to again repeat as far as Crest Oak is concerned it was
never a part of this subdivision. ~We have two members who were present at that
time, we will have refer these two gentlemen. to him., Mr. Simmons, I understand
that you had no ,you were not aware that the commis~i:or1 at that time wanted an
entrance to the north cirle of vnur rlevelnnment area _ Nn iSTR _ Ynu were not
The Freisanhans own it and they have conveyed a road easement to varios people
and maybe just a 1~ttle background on this they conveyed a easement on this
50 ft. to Mro Spurlock in the m~~.l~ mid 60's they conveyed an easement to him
and then other people whould purchase property in this area and conveyed
easement also but this 50 fto easement actually belongs to the Freisanhans~
and its not really a part of the subdivision and has never been to my
knowledgeo
. - Know back to the things that we talked about two weeks ago i~ entrance
going in and coming outo There's only one exa.t and one entranced That's
what we discussed from 1975, the same thmng~ and maybe were hung up on
easements No not anymorea Were hung up on one thing: one exit and one
entranced F,ets forget the easemento
Mr. Simmons I have here a copy of the minutes of Feb, in 750 The date is
Febo 26, 19750 Now I think we discussed the last time and brought up the
orginally the subdivision plan was accepteda~ That's what we were led
;.r~`~` to believe. Yes! It was accelbted, and it states here with a meek- motion
s;~
~ ~~-i ~f with a ~~e~se proviso a~~.- of contingent on the ~es~e~a removal of the word
easement from that motion of in this case Clover Sto which is referred to
as Crest Oak also. That has not been done to our knowledge one this is one
of the contingenties that this thing was approved.. bJhere do you read that? /
I'm looking for that, Paragrahph 4, Mr. Sharpe made a motion, I think what
that should of been is Circle Oak and not Clover Oak I did pave Circle Oak,
I tend to agree with Per. Simmons on that, I don/t think L~Jas that an ease
ment at that time? No, Circle Oak was always a street, remember that Chuck?
Right, that, we were talking about this, this is the entrance over here,
We were talking about the same easement, ~Je wern't talking about this, this
was an entrance to it. At the same time in 1975 we said there's only 1
entrance and get rid of this one over here and thats and entrance, we can
make that an entrance and thats what we meant. Don't make it an easement,
once yep it leaves here and its and easement, its never going to be a street
I think everyone agrees to that. And t6~ats what we ~vere talking about then.
not over here, Paragraph 4 goes along with that but Paragraph 5 which is
Clover Oak I think, refers to Circle Oak. I;thought you were talking 4,
Yes we are talking 4 and 5. Alright 4, 4 is talking about this, right, OK,
5 ,well I remember that, OK What was meant in paragraph 4? Was that--
Paragraph 4 in one, well what are you looking at? Look at this current thing
that they got before, T think it says easement. Tt says the north area that
says 50 foot easement, that was the area we were talking about on paragraph
4, We discussed the same thing you discussed the other night, you only got
1 way in and 1 way out, it seems to me that we had someone here from either
SAFES or the Police or Fire Department and says your right, you: get in there
and you can't get out. I don't remember that. We discussed it a couple of times
But that was the area we were talking about then, Well, let me mention something,
Now, I don't own this 50 foot easement here and I never have owned it and its
never been a part of the subdivision, and to may knowledge this 50 foot easement
has not been annexed by the city. I believe it is. Well the other Friesenhahn
thought that it has not been annexed. Which one is that? This belongs to the
Friesenhahn estate of property back here. Now to my knowledge this has never
been annexed and if you recall when ,~ee~- we were putting Unit 1 in of Oak Forest
and this was approximately 2 years ago, the City and maybe you to had some calls
from Mrs. Friesenhahn and I did, and she advised the city and the City Manager
to not have any equipment on her property and to just stay clear of it. Now
we do have an easement, but the easement which I acquired over this property
was a result of some property which was purchased back here in the back. And I
have had an easement over that property for probably what I would say 10 years
perhaps. And there are several other people that have easements over trib~ble
purchased property and T believe Mr. Sisk can clarify this for us, but I believe
Mr. Spurlock maybe had an easement over this also. At one time Ne-had-the-€i•~=e
in the mid 60's this was the only entrance into Oak Forest. What the Circle Oak
or this-- No, Crest Oak, Yes l my conversation was limited to Crest Oak .
Coy acquired that an easement, or 1 easement over that property I know of, 8
years ago and prior to that this was in effect granting him the easement over the
same area and pointing out that any easement granted to him was subject to similar
to contact the Friesenhahns and see what we could do on this property,
and the way I understand it it would probably have to be conveyed
to me as the developer and then I would put the streets in and then I
would dedicate them to the City.on the plat map on the next unit. I think
the Friesenhahn's would probably go along with this, but as you perhaps know
she a terminal case and I think I am on good terms with her but I don't want
to fight with her and I don't intend to. When we were putting in the sub-
division before she was very adiment to not even get on their property with
no equipment, stay away from it and you can talk to some of the City officials
on it, she also talked to me and she just expressed her opinion I think I
can aquire this property but we will put the second entrance in and that would
be in the center here and if Craig needs to say something, OK. What I would
like to do is to go ahead and put the center entrance in here and the highest
part of the subdivision on 3009 ,you don't have to worry about it flooding
and then Lazy Oak is ;paved up to what use to be Crest Oak here and then on
our next Unit, let us pave this up to this street on top of the hill which would
probably be 1200 feet, but what I don't want to do now I don't want to hold up'
on this street, this street has been improved considerably at a cost of about
$800 its been graded ,its been crushed rock put on it.with oil. You still
have access for the emergency equipment, but I don't know how long it will take
to acquire this property but i just don't want to hold up my next unit for the
purpose of putting that in, but I would put in this second entrance and we are
only talking about 15 lots in this area and then the next unit which will come
along in a few month, this road will be paved up to this point and we will have
a second entrance. We want to have equipment in there if we can get things cleard
with the City, we had hope to by the first of March, that might be a little bit
expidited a little bit, We still have the easement and it isn't going to be
closed ,it's just not going to be paved. There is one thing I should bring
up and I have talked to Mr.Holmith, our engineer on that, now there is a fence
that runs along this property i an ere is another fence of the present
property owner there, I don':t know exactly how far it is, there may be 50 foot
between these 2 fences and it may be a little less,;it may be more, I don't
feel like T could live with the situation where the city require a 50 foot
easement, we have to live with that fence line as I understand it, it's been
there for 70 or 80 years and then we have to live with the fence line where another
property owner, another Mr. Friesenhahn who lives on the corner here, now it might
be only 45 feet but its my understanding that we have to live with that, is that
"right Craig and Jean? The fence line runs all the way along here. You say it
narrowsto less that 50 feet? I don't know what it is, What I'm saying if it is
a little less than 50 feet I don't want. to be held up on it I-1-eke-1;-- were
only going to have a 30 foot street in there anyway which would mean -that your
going to have a little bit less easement perhaps if this should be the situation,
know that may not be a problem b1zf, 3 just want to bring it up if it should
present a problem to us in the future.
You~say one thing about in your discussion there in entrances, you said to put
this one in here and then as you develop Unit 1 or the next unite Yes sir!
Pave this and then you would have your second entrance. What are you proposing
out? That would be the second entrance right away. That's right, that's
what I thoughte But it does not get you back up into this area, you still have
to come here , and go through back here. You still have the drainage problem
here? With this new culvert right here it would eliminate that drainage
problem when we have high water we should be able to get across this one were
going to build this one bigger, culvert is going to be bigger than this little
one down here. Do you know how wide that ditch is from the low center point
where your going to connect the culverts. I think that ditch is 25 fta or
30 fta widen What are we talking about, t~a~ along 3009? Yes! Where you
propose to put your crossing. The highway department dug it out, they try
to keep it pretty nicee I notice that it looks pretty deep, are you going to
fill it up, are you going to have a big culvert, Well its probably going to be
a tall culvert, and that will be good, cause that will get you up out of the
water. Know you suggested this only because you~ve got two sides that are
higher than local axeaverses the other entrance what we call it is Crest Ste
To build up Crest Oak we'd have to excavate a bunch of material and lower
the channel, and then drop a culvert down there, and that cost money wheras
over here in the middle of Lazy Oak where we want to put it will just drop
the culvert in where we donut have to excavate it, Plus your up higho If you
easement in there, but now the City elected and I'm not critizing the City
but were just talking facts, the City elected to make that very narrow pavemento
If I could make a point is to prevent this in the futureo Right! I understands
OoK. Let me say this, what I visulize-this entrance would probably not be utilized
very much, except when you have a flooding situation, Circle Oak will continue to
be utilized and you will only utilize the new street whenever you have a flooding
situation or an emergency, know another point in putting this new street in
the position where it is, it alines with F~,a~n Dro, and if it ever grows to the
extend that you need a traffic light there, I don't know what I'm looking for
right now, but anyway there'll be a light and you don't have to worry about
o~6f-set, which is a problem for engineering a traffic light thereo When you
say street, ~aou mean that new entrance that your planning , the one your referring
to the centero You don't anticipate again 6~ee~ paving Crest Oak regardless of
how the development goes, weather it ends further to the easto What I'm
saying is that if you develop into here and you don't anticipate at all opening
this out to the road? No sir, because the estimate on that is from 100 to 120
thousand dollarso Well I think we discussed the flood plane in the 100 years
and that's really great but if it gets that bad and it covers it from the hill
up there down to the railroad tracks, were really not going to worried about
entrances to a subdivision, were going to get the people out, but the flood is
a situation like we had, what in 73 or 7~. or that heavy rains that tears it up
its not the big flood that's going to wash us away and close Deer Haven and
everything up there it's these two months of rain we'll have in June and July
where they can't get in and out of herea I mean I think thats what we ought
to be tallfl.ng about and not, I know that we have to be looking at the fsl~ood
plan don't get be wrmng, but thats the problem, even with drainage over here
and over here and Chats closed and they can still exist and enter here with
a heavy rain as far as I'm concern fine, but if you continue in my opinion
if you continue to develop back in here and it all goes well this entrance and
this entrap oe are not going to be suffient. I think we have to realize this
if this develops like maybe we hope it does there'll be other entrances
in here and your going to have streets from here and you'll have streets out
to IoHo35 also from this areao
This is true but the same time you get to that area your going to have main
feeder of 3009 thats going to be lanes and ]ike Agzular said there going
to come in from the north and south and how they going to get out? What I
say is do it now instead of the poor guy that sits back herr and thats what
Agiular just said were trying to do. But thats my thought, I don't worry about
the big flood, I'm worried about the heavy rains, that closes things up .
Well if we could in my opinion and this is confermed by our engineer also, but
if go along with what were proposing if we could get City approval on what were
proposing were improving the present situation out there by 95~. You mean to put
it going hereo Yes sir! Well there's no doubt in my mind because you at least
have another entrance and exist, thats what I agree with youo It's 95~ better
than it is right now. You mention you had a easement over some of that over
that easement. I have an easement over all of ito Has anybody contacted the
Freisanhans in the last two weeks? ~-l~a~re What's the difference in cost from
the center entrance were talking about verses the one we have been referring
to? About one hundred thousand dollarso Iiifference in the cost is $100,000x00,
Yes sir! Do I understand correctly Craig, your talking not about the floods,
but about the rains, is'nt it true Craig that this entrance which will arrays
be useful whereas this entrance unless you do like a bridge like they are
talking about is not usable during the heavy rains I agree with you a
I'm not saying that nor does this ape, thats a good idea, I think thats great
but at the same time to do it know commit or,~(5 the City say let this one and
this one go these are entrances and exits and thats great, and thats a good
ideao But at the same time your going to need thiso All Mro Simmons is saying
is that we don't thing the Planning Commission properly should tie up this
portion of the development that he's asking for now for this over land that he
doesntooooao,.o.? But when we make a motion this time we'll make it clear
contingent upon all,this other stu.~f that this is done upon so and so fortho
I think we can live with the contingency that this is going to build; to a
to a 100 year flood plan. No were not saying that at all. I would just have
to abandoned the subdivision and forget about it. I'm not saying just cut
a a..ti...,....,_ti, a.i,. ti...a. a..,,, f .~i.,, ,.,~r , ~ ~ t..,.... inn non ~~nnn
avesa
, :~'~>>z. '~~;~;T:~: ,slot o.f .families living back there you have traffic in and out,
probably 95~ of the time you'll be able to get in and out of that areao
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Can we ever expect the City to do something to this entrance? I would'nt
say so for quite awhile. Now here's the situation the City, you took this
subdivision several years ago, and there's been very little improvement
on that street , but whenever individual comes back here and wants to do
a little developing we talk plus streets, but we still have to live with
this same thing down hereo Why don't the City spend about a $100000
or $20,000 on this entrance and it could sort of be first classo It's
not going to be equivalent to this, but it would be a decent entrance
and maybe two or three times a year its going to over-flow, why don't
the City go.;ffty-.:fifty and improve this situations Why don't we go
fifty fifty up here and see if we can improve it a bito But I don't think
that I know of just this small amount that's being developed, I don't think
' I could afford to put that much money aooooao
The principle that applies there the small number of .people in athat particular
area right now, I think the City can afford to put $100,000 we've got drainage
problems throughout the City for people who are currently living, what I'm
saying is I don't the City is going to go in and develop that particular street
so thatyou can ~._.fu.i°ther your subdivision not that we would'nt welcome it in
the City, so this is kind of a trade off, the whole City of Schertz needs to
be a .ooooa.oo we just spend. a hundred million dollars there trying to dxain
Schertz properly and not do it right.
But 2 c,~,n't very well afford to spend money to put three plush entrance
into an area, the only thing that I would, hope to do is to put one entrance
thats going to give gas access during any~t~~pe of whether, as far as rain is
concerned and maybe I could improve this situation, but this situation up
here does'nt really improve the subdivision at all it gives you an extra
entrance, but this is where I ought to spend my money if I'm going to spend
it, but I'm unwise if I'm going to spend another nickel down there as long
as =~~~hose culverts are thereo And I don't think the City would spend any
money down there either, that's got to be corrected ~e~-a If you spend
money down there your just wasting ito And the only thing I'm doing this
will help the subdivision and if I'm going to spend any money I'd rather
spend it over hereo This is bad up here, hal~'of this road washed out and
the City of Schertz takes care of ito Did*nt you lrnow that Bob? No since
I've been here I've never once seen the City clear it. I'd have to check
with Mr. Cfraham with streets department. Well I'm pretty sure that it's
the City of Schertz doing its Well all I can say is that when allow that
road to exist and that it was very bad we should didn't to our homework,
cause if we would have done our homework that problem would'nt existo
Again this may be mush selfisher but we would be wiser to spend some money
down here ~~e and improve this entrance. What would you do raise that
road or change the culvert? VJe11 I've talked to the engineer, but I thing
raise the road a little bit and then some concrete where we expect it to
flood at certain points, but the water is just going to flow over it and you
have many just low water crossings pe~z~o
That' Y,rhat we had. in mind for the other entrance, Mr o 5"iarp is saying before
the other entrance up there is something that we plan for a low water
or something thats going to flood under a little heavier rain situation where
you will still have your main entrance or the center entrance o
A little culvert across there would probably cost or 5 thousand dollars and
would keep us dry all but 2 or 3 times a yearn
This entrance here does'nt help me at all except it just makes another access,
but it does'nt beautify the area its on a side where most people are not going
to see'it, this is the area where you have a 25 hundred square ft~ house here,
you have a 19 hundred square ft. house here we plan on having somethin beautiful
here and this is not going .oo.o.o.oa,
One other thing I would like to say, I have asked Mro Len Boyd to come at my,~'~~ ~
We can get flood insurance in any of this area hereo Its my understanding
that even one entrance does not cause ~rour insurance to increas back in this
area wlse~e whether its fire, flood, ego Now our flood insurance and we on],y
have one area Chats lust a ~oart of this area Chats Zn the flood- nl_an ~onP. a.nd
thats developed the existing or the fourteen or fifteen lots there, when
you come back for further development that you would agree to acquire whatever
easements or right of way ,are needed frAm>the.Freisanhans-to pave the easement
down the easement and build a better than fair wheaher road across the
..sting drainage thereo On to 30og, would that be agreeable sir?
The reason I say.. that is another planning and another city council looks at
that two or three years from now o.o.o.a.o.oooWell this would become the
minutes of this particular commission it would have to go before the city
council efor approval when this plat is filed it would be park of theoaooooa
The concern that I have is just liked we talked about is over the nature mf
what somebody is talking about when they come back and say will, in order to
do that you~ve got to put that up above the 100 year flood plain and you_°
committed yourself to do ito
We will try to'arrive at a wording here with your engineer~r~g and I say better
than fair whether we can if somebody has the language here, were not looking for
a 100 year flood plain bridge if someoA~e .it said thaT ~t .~r~~~ cost' $100000 ~e or
$125,000 were not looking for a low water bridge that flood at the first drop
of a rain, what were looking for is a better than fair wheather road about
what we have there now as far as elevation is concernedo
Would you permit me to put in something cee~~a~~e-- conprable to what is doRr~.
Circle Oak now? That sounds agreeable.
It would be advantageous for me and I did not see these minutes until just now
that was published in 1975 and I think we may have the streets wrong o
We specify that if you so like it you receive a copy of these minutes for your
file that would provide you with and documentation that you may want for any
further commissiono We would like to use your engineer here and our building
inspector if we can agree on some terminology on comparable II, because as
Mra Sharp as pointed the existing bridge could wash away next weeko Cees~a~.-
_ Could we do this This is a different subject but it been related, could we
get re-zoning and requested from Rl to Office and Professional District ~.n that
front area and ~.e let this be acomplished right .at the same minutes?
I would like to have it re-submitted o This entrance street that your talking
about better than a fair wheather entrance conprable to Circle Oak or for Crest
Oak? Could it be contengent upon this being re-zoned that front area to R-1
and an professional district
Use the front part for commercial usee
Are you all going to consider the open space proposed I thing we discussed that
last time within the subdivision? We got some ideasa What we would like to do
is let a 100 fto here be a park area in here and thenext possibly area here
how much do you need one lot 100 by 200 is that sufficient in hereo
If you want this mach or if you want more of if you want less its OoKo
But this area and this area down hereo This would be a beautiful park, you
have clot of trees on it and if you want some rock, I can provide some
beautiful rock, I would have to import them but there just beautifula
Is'nt that very close to 3009? Yes! Its about 100 fto awaya I would assume
that the City would probably fence it.
Here we go with the motion:
Master Plan Reveiw
I recommend that we ~e approve the Master Plan for father developments of Units
2, anal Unit 3 re-zoned for commercial developmento No! Well you just said he
had it in which is to be re-zonedo Just has been to be sub-muted to be re-zonedo
OoK. I recommend that we approve the Master Plan for father development of Unit
2, with the construction ~e of the elevated entrance adjasent to Fawn Sto as
proposed by Mro Simmons on the Jano 11, 1978 meeting prior to father development
Mr. Simmons should secure the rights to pave Crest Oak to 3009 providing compling
subdivision ordinances for streets providing adequate drainage equally to the
existing structure which is structure on Circle Oak which consist of four-twenty
four inch ee~ga~e~. corregated steel pipe with concrete head wallso Further
recommend we propose dedication of Lot 1 Block 9 to be dedecated to the City for
a park area. Could we just take out that adequate drainage and just say
drainage? Approve the minutes next week. The thing I would ]ike to recommend, if
its not apposing on the council and the committee but it seems like the City
engineer should see this comment before its finalized and it seems my engineer
ought to opportunity to and seems ]ike to that my attorney ought to have an
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Meeting adjourned