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01-13-1987
ter.. PL.Af~1WIfuG AiVD ZOi~ILVG MILdUTES l`t~e Sc~iier t t 1 ann i ng and ion i ng Cornrn i ss i an ccanvened i n a regu 1 ar• sc~5s i Cari on 1"uEa day, January 13, 198?' at 7.OC) P. M. i rt the Mun i c i C,a 1 CcarnP 1 e:~:: Conference Roc~rn. Mernber•s pr•esen t t=sere ras f CJ 1 1 Ca 1=15 P ~ Z C(::Ih11~iISSIUN D°fHERS PRESE~iI= Ti~~carnas Yar• 1 i ng, Ci•iat r•man Me i 1 F i ~i7er, F i sher• Eng . E:Cab Andr•el=a5, Vice-Cha •r r•rnan C, P. Vaughan, Vaughan F•~fornc~~~~ James Har•i~en, Sl?cr•etar•y Mark Vaughan, Vaughan Hr.~mcas t. Merl=~ i n W i 1 1 rnar~r l:var• C;unnar•son, Gunnarscar~ Ty E,r• i sg i l l tha tdocar• Adver• t i s i ng D~=avid Al1Pn Mark E;on~ Fen Gr•eent=ra 1 d, Ccal..inc i 1 rnan Frank f<err7o, E;ar•c 1 ay Custr.~rn I-iornc~~, CITY STAFF Steve S i mon~:~car•i, Assn. City Mgr•. ~lrar•rna Al~t;hc~l..i~.~e, Rec~or•dir7g Secy. f # 1 GALL.... l°Q ORDF:.R Cha i r•rnan Yar-1 i ng ca 1 1 ed the meeting to or•der• at 7: C)C) P. M. AF'I'Rt7VA1_ C]F M I I~U•1`ES: Joint Pub 1t c Hearing and Regu 1 ar• Secs i an Decernber• 1U, 198b Merw i n W i 1 1 rnan made a rnot i an to a~apr•ove the rn i notes for the Joint Pub 1 i c Hearing ar~d Regu 1 ar• Session Decernber• 10, 198b. Dav i d Al 1 en seconded the rnot i can and the vote t=ras unan i rnous i n favor-. MCat l on car•r• 1 End. f'. #S C I "I` I ZEIVS' I I~PUl` DTHER i"HAN AGENDA .ITEMS There was none. #~i~ CDIVSIDER AfVD TAF~E APPROPRIATE AGTION: Vaughan Horner - Request for• F i na 1 Plat A~apr•ova i - Gr•eensh i r•e Oaks Subdivision t Job Flo. f 8b0~l~4 l t 12-29-8b) t=~ i th Revision of # Pr•el iminar•y Plat tJob. IVo. 8b044) i' . iY'^II Mr•. C. P. Va~.ighari, Mark Vaughan and Nei 1 F i sher• ~=iere at the meeting. to r•epr•tasent Greensh i i~•e oaks. ~it~:~ve S i rnc~nson i nforrned the C:arnrn i ss i on .they shoo 1 d a 1 i havEa a ~wapy i n tt~e i r• package of the Staff cornrnerits and i~r. Vaughan's 1 E~tter• ~i~ i th h i r, proposal for• the r•oaci. hlr, S i rnonsai°i also sa i d fcar• •L••ha=~;,e iAaha t•}ad oat dr• i ven t1-~r•augh Gr•eer~sh •t r-e, ~bae have a v i ~~~=ca i i' tt7e C:ornm i spa i or7 ~•ra~.i 1 d be i nte.re~,t~~d i n .seeing i t, nav i d Al 1 en corrirne~r~ted he i=rr~u l d 1 i ke to sc~e tt~e v i ~-iea. Steve S i rnonsc7r~ r•epor•ted he had asked the F' i r•e C)epartrner~i t i f ~i:hey ~•aau 1 d be ab i e to navigate tt7e i r- erner•gency/ f i r•ef i gl•tt i ng eca~.i i prner?t ors C}aE; l°r•ec~ C i r•c 1 e and the F i r•e CJ~~par•trnE_~n t faresee s no pr•ob i erns. Caha i r•rnari Yar'• 1 i ng asi-<cc:i StE.ve S i rnonsan to si•~ot•~ t:i•~ie . :video and h1r . S i rnansan did, e::p i a i n i ng i t bias r7at a r,~r• i ve i.:hr•ough but r•a tt~er• a C,~.,r i e~7 of sthots . .~f ter• ti"ie shoti~ i ng of th~~ v i dea, Qav i d Al 1 er-+ carnrner~~ ted ti-ie ors 1 y pr•ab i ern t7e coo 1 d size t;~as tine parking, far• e::;arnp 1 e, araund the i sl anris. -i"her•e r.~C-s a brief d i scueas i an abaut parking an the =,treets and ar•r~und the islands. James I-lar•den r•ernar•keci he had a pr•ob 1 em r•r i tt•~ the d i star~c_e bet~x~eer7 the trees and the r_urb and asphalt. Mr. Harden said if a tree is w i ti•~ i n three t3') feet of curb and asphalt, the tree i 1 1 e i tl-}er• die ar• keep gray=i i ng and i f i t beeps gr•a~si i ng, the streets and c~..irbs ~•r i 1 1 crack. I"Ir•. Harden felt carne of the tree~-> this cl asEa to cur••b and aspt~a i t rn i ght as tl~el 1 be r•ernaved to start iii i th, ati-yert+~ i se tt~?e City ~ji i 1 1 hav~~ a 1 at of e::•::pense 1 ater• ar7 i n r•c-spa i r• i ng s•L-r•e~ets andr_ur•bs. CI-ia i r•rnan Yar• i i ng noted tt•iat i t i•~ou 1 d seem the pr•a::-; i rn i ty of the islands coo 1 d be changed e i ther• far•war•d or• backward. l•'her•e t•~as mare d i scuss i an an rock, so i 1 and r•aats r=~ i th C:ha i rrnan Yarling asking Jarnes Harden `s pr•afessionai opinion an haw many trees he felt cauld be saved. Mr•. Harden said he felt that if the islands i;~ere adjusted a 1 i tt 1 e roast of them cau l d be saved , b~..i t he urou 1 d 1 i ke to see Vaughan Harney ~•ror•k r=r i th a hor•t i c~.i 1 tur i st f.ar• e:}::pert advice, There eras Borne discussion on Jer•r•y Gr•aharn's cornrnents, but i t was 1 earned many of his references were to i terns i n the net;i Si.~bd i v i s i on Ordinance ~=~h i ch ha , oat been approved yet. Nei 1 F i sher• ~=gas asked ~xihat the dr• i v i ng surface an e i ther• side of the streets r•ias and Mr•. Fisher r•ep i i ed fifteen t iii feet. (2) Steve S i rnonsorl r•ernar•ked that Borne i term fr•arn the peel i rn i nary ~ 1 at st i 1 1 have to be addr•essc3d. L]av i d Al 1 en asked to have ti-~>? ra i riutes cl-iec~ked larhen the pr••ei i rn i nary p 1 ai: tl~as appr•aved bec::~ause he did not think Ijre had r•equ i r•ed a ane (1') foot r•I~~n-ac.c•es;a er::l~:}ernc'rit. There UlaSb a I]r• I of d I SGU.~n~ 1 ar'1 .an th 1 t~av i d Al 1 en rnade a rnotion to approve the f i 17a 1 ~ 1 at f~:~r• C;t^een~sF•? i re Oaks 5ubd i v i s i on 1!a i tt•1 the fo1 1 of}a i ng drafting ci-larlge~, to the peel i rn i nary p 1 at a ta) US(:i~CS E.er7ci•irnark, (b } site vicinity rnrip, tc) address of devel'opr:•:r•/al=~rier•, and id) f 1 aodp 1 a i n staternei°It. Mr~•. Allen also includeed in his rnotion approval •i, ca a 1 1 al=~ an island tca be p 1 aced i rr E~en t l"r•e~:~ Gr• i ve to el i rn i Hate tl°i E' r~rac~ss i ty of cu t t i n~ dol;rn trees f a f t~r• sc~rne fur• •L-h~r• d i i_r"l:.l..t<:s i c,n ti•~ie f o1 1 ollr.i ng I.ras added to ti7e rnotion) ai ~ci to requ i r•e a rn i r. i rn~.lrn of tyro t?') feet separ'•at i an between trees and curb ar~d r•r:,~cornrnended ar•iy tr•ee~:, i n quest-ion roust t?e rnutuC71 1 y agreed to by the level <:~p~r• and ttye City i nspector•s. J~rrles Harden secanded i;p°I~= rncat i an and the vote I•ra=; as fol •I alA~sc r'ayes: ~r, `lar•1 i ng, J. I•iar•den, hl. W i 1 1 roan, °f. ~:r• i sg i 1 l , D. Al 1 r~~n t~l e:l y S : N Ll I'1 E_~ AL-~sterlt ions E.. Ancirer~r s t•1ot i on car•r• i ed. A•L- ti-1 i t i rite there I•ra~> a short recess. a#~ CONS:LUER AND t'IAtCE 1~7EC:OMh1ENDATION: I=rank S. I~er•nofr:ar•r_ 1 ay C:ustorn Karnes - Recll.aest f-or Rear SetL~ac::k Variance on Pr•opi:~sr~d t•iorne on l.,uts 4b ar7d 47, E.1 ock Scel°I i c Hills Cornrnun i ty Pha~~e I, C i bol a, 1"X i Mr•. i=rank fCer•no Itras at •L-he rneeting. I`1er•~111 i n W i 1 1 man comrnented this request i s scat i n accordance I.r i ti-, our and finance in that i t doesn't state i•7olir rnuch setback i s req~.lested and I•rhy tt•le variance i s necxdeci. Mr•. 4J i 1 1 roan r•ec::~~rnrnended tl•ie r•c:+qus~st be tab 1 ed un i 1 a 1 1 the pl-••oper i rlfor•rnat i an i s pr•ov i led, Ai•'ter• a br• i of d i scuss i ar7, Bob Andrelrs made a rnat i on to tab 1 e the r•equc:~st fr••orn I=rank S. F<er•no/8ar•clay Custarn Hornes for• a rear setback variance unt i 1 suf f i c i er?t i nfar•rnat i on as to holy rnuch of a setback is r•e.quested and as to what n~r~efisi fates the need far• tl-i i s var i anc:e request i s provided. []~-av i d Al 1 en ser_onded the rnotion and the vote w,~s unan i maus i n favor. t'lot i an r_ar•r• i ed. #b CONSIDER ANU MAfiE RE[~CJh1MENDAT I ON Payless Gas Subdivision Unit I (1.8900 IH 3v Nor•th } • - Request for• Var• i ance on the Sign CIr•dinance - Variance on' Sign Height fr•orn the present to a Ile i ght of 47' . l'•her•e 1=ias na one at the rneeting to r•epr•esent Payless, ~3) . ` _ . __....,,.,.••,,.,...,..,..,wo~w.» , Mer•iil i n W i 1 1 roan cornrnented he had dr• i ven up by the 1 ocat i on and going nor• th you can see tine i gn ijr i th i ii one-ha 1 f rn i 1 e. 1°y .E,r i scj i 1 1 said on tl-ic--.~ sra~.itl-i side yo~.i ar•e 1 o~.aN: i rig tl•iruc..~gi°i tr•er-.+ 1 i robs tr i thr~u.t 1 ~=av~s, but rAri~7en the 1 Leaves ar•e ~~n the trees, i .t rr~ i gi°it rnal:f:~ i t hard to ~>~+c:~ ti•ie s i gr.i. P•1r. E.r• i sg i i 1 c-carnrnerit~~d yni..i could pr•iai:a au 1 y ,just ask ti-ie pr•iaper• •Gy oixar•7er• to tr- i rn the tr•i:~~~~. Div i d Al 1 en s.-a i d he ob sec ted to r•a i s i rig tl•ie s i gri bec;~ause of th~ie pr•o;>:: i rn i ty o•F Etiar-dy's A i rp~~,r t . Steve S i rnonsor~i i nfarrnEa~:::i tFie Cornrn i s~> i on that iirh~~~°i Bayl e.•~ s or• i i na 1 1 y put ~..ap the sign .tire did nit i~iave a Sign r~rd i nan~:.e anc:i ti•~iey w~r•e• told i t ~iroul d be best tc:~ rnal~<e this he i grit regi.aest i:ar~fc;r•e ti~7e Sign fjr•d i nar-ir_•:e iir<:as adol:~ted, L-,ut trey did not. DC:iv i ri Al 7 en ccarnrrier•itec:I i f i=ae da i t far• ane pE~r•son on IH 3~ then iirc~ i~7ave to do i t for• all . A•('ter• a br• i of discussion, Jarne~; Fiarder~i rnacle a root i on to d~+ny tl-~e request from i'ayl ess Gas SG.ibd i v i s i on, Unit I for• a var i ant:~e un sign height because our pr-esen t or•d i Hance a 1 1 oiir~.; a rna::<: i rnurn he i gF~it of thirty--five (:3v') •Fer~t and ti~~e f' 1 ann i ng and Zoning Corrrrn i ss i on s~:rla:~, r-io reason for• tl~r=a curr-•ent sign at Bayless to be I-y ighc,~r•. ~Jarnes i-larden also added ti-ia t B 1 ann i ng ar•td Ton i rig r-eccrrnrn~ari~:is Bc~yl ess contact the pr•o~aer~•ty aiirners soi.ath of th~ie s i gri to see i f they may be iir i 1 I i ng t0 tr• i rn the i r• trees to a 1 1 ow better v i s i b i 1 i ty of tl-ie sign. C}av i d Al 1 en sec:oncied tide root i on and ti-ie vote bras unan i rnous i n favor. ~1ot i on carried. • t°:~a CC)NSIDE:I~ AND h~IAFtE: F~ECCII`11~'IENDP~1"IQN. Gunnar•sor-? CJG.itdoor• Advert i s i ng - Regi.aest for Var• i anc;e to S i qn Or•d i i-iarice - 4'ar i ance - to Saar i nc~ f~equ i r•ernen is for t7u tdoor• Adver-• t i s i r7g Signs Ivar• (.~unnar•son was at the meeting. Steve S i rnonscan i nfor•rned the Carnrn i ss i on our• present or•cl i Hance r•equ i r•es 100 feet bettir:~en signs and the state i aila agrees with ti•~iat. Ivar• C;unnar•scan cornrnented he could .not get i.~0© feet on the Pr'op:er~ tY l"y E~r• i sg i 1 1 asked l~1r. Gunnar•son eirhat the rna:::: i rnurn distance i s he thought he cou 1 d get and IYir•. Gunnar•son rep 1 i ed he i=ras not sure. Fien Greenwald cornrnented the per•rn i to from the state are no good and that they violated their oilin , 1 aw. Gha i r•rnar~i Yar• 1 i ng asked iirhat the d i stancet s betriieen the signs and iYlr•. Gunnar•son said he •i:hougr'7t appr•o:>:: i rnatel y ~;(~Q feet. (4) Steve S i mor•~~;can CSG.S I d the City or•d i Hance super•serles the state per•rn i t. t~lr•. S i rncar7scan a 7 sr.~ said r7o ma t i:er• tvi~7en t1.7e state per•rn i t vas i s~>ueci, eve havc~~ to 1 ocak at the date he r•eque sts a per•rn i t fr•orn .kf~ae City. E;ob Ancirc~~vs rnacle a rncat i or•i to d~any t1-ie r•ecli..ies,~i; {=r•carn Gunr•~arsori ~"]u tdraor• r~dver• t i s i ng f or• a v~r- i :~rtir.~e ran •I;iie •:~pac• i ng r•r:~qu i r••rrnen is fr.;r• ra~..itdc:~or• advert i s i r~~q s i gris bE:~r.:~aus>c-~ ca-f the c_har~ge~:, i n state 1 a~=, and bec_•a~ase tt7e City of ;:~cf-rer•tz Sign t~lr•d i Hance r•i~rlu i r•i:-zs these signs to be =;pacec9 1~.•+GQ feet agar-i~. L~av i d Al 1 en Gc:~conded the rnut i can and the vt•ate vas .~s fcal l ci~vs: Ayes: l". Yar• 1 i ng, E.. Anrir•e~vs, M.. W i i 1 rnc~r~i, T'. ~:r• i sa i 1 1 , L). Al 1 en fv~ys: nf~~,» Ata~ter•ition~:>. J. Har•der~i Motion ~,ar•r i i:~d. #I~ 7' Gk fuE:ftAL. D l: SCst.JSS Clfd E:ok? Andr•F~~=i~; anti-red about tl-i~:~ pG.~tal i c: hieC~r• i ng for ti~~iE~,i rl~..irnf~ and hler•w i n W i l l rnan said i t had ta~~en ,j~..ist a fact f i nd i r7g rn i ss i on, nca de~c i s i ons were made. Steve S i rnoric:;orr hac:f se-~ver-•a 1 ti°i i ng~~ to report : (a) the Va 1 Verde sign st~ou 1 d 'ray= down i n about t~vo ~vc•~eks, (b) T'r• i -County F'ar•k has beer~r scald to San Antonio Savings Asscac i a t i can, (c) a 1 etter• from Planning ai°ycf 7_or~ i ng to TML about Lost Meacicaw~ tf~iat ryas suppcasc~d to be sent in 1988 has been sent, ar7d (d) the Sci~aer•t~ F'ark~vay CJve:~r•1 ay C7r•d i Hance has gonE::i to Richard Harris and when Mr•. C3 i 1 rncar•e guts i t back he tv i 1 1 f~ave City Count i 1 1 ocaFt i t over. Fier~~ C:;r•eenwa1 d reported that tf-~e tt~iree band issues had pas Bed by a vote of almost 2 to 1 and Holy, F•~capefully, Borne of the war•k can get under•tvay. Lien Green~va 1 d announced, for thou}~~ ~ltho didn't a 1 ready knc?t=~, that Steve 5 i monson has been pr•carnoted to Assistant City Manager. Mer•w i n W i 1 1 rnan br•ougf-~t up several matters: (a) asked i f C]r•d i Hance 1Vo. 81--5-18 tP 1 anned Residential LJn i t Devel oprnent) dated June ib, i981 had been r•esc i nded, (b) said P 1 ann i ng and ion i ng should get a copy of the or•d i na~ice regarding indemnification dated September 16, 198b, tc) recornrnended the discussion for• ion i ng a 1 tang II-# 1Q and . FM 1`,18 be on our ne:>;t agenda and that ~a~e r•ecornrnend i t fear a publ is heaar• i ng, td) r-ernar•ked that the amount of tr•avei tr•a i 1 er•s and R.V. 's parked at E.ussey's Flea Mar•f~cet made it appear like a Travel Tr•a i l er/R. V. Park, and (5) (e) asi~teci i f ~inytt'i i ng had beer's darie abac.lt the bl inking 1 i grits a'c . Ll l:ue and True Per•fr.~r••mar7~-e. Cht.i i r~rrs~ari Yar• 1 i r'ig c:arrirnented the Au[~t i 1-i L? i ri~!r• tie~c i d~~~ Strap-_iV-°•Gri a 1 r;ci h.:~s b l i r~k i ng l i gh t ~~c~l'tiG?'_-: F-iar•del"1 had Sever'a 1 pa l n is of d i ~'iC::I.I~;S=t I ari a Ca) ~:~a i d 1-r i ~ 1'7e i ~7i'ii:~ar• i ~ r•ur7n i ng a gara~~e {5i-iade Tree Au tarnut 1 vE}) , ~ir'id tt:i) r•erri~arked 1=le si'•iaui d havE=~ tr• i ed to tarar•k sarncath i ng ac.rt t=i i tl-i I~ir•. (.~l..ll'"inar''3tJn . fe;-; C:irec~'nl=!a i d carnrn~:'ri•LF_'c1 i-ie did neat i=aC-~ri•l: tra ~;r--.ae r7 rnanapc:ii e ~ i gn Mr-•. I•°lar•der'i said (r•el=err'• i nc~ to a tl=ICa rn i 1 e str-etch of Col ar-•acia i-! i ghl=ray 'Lha t i s r7c.~•Lh i r7g but an eyesar•~=) •ti•iat ~cyl'net i rues tr..~o rn,~ny rca~:,tr• i ct i errs=, 1=rar•k aga i rist yau. T'L I•~a~; sc.lggested tl"iat Steve S i rnansan i nfar•rn MI"•. Gt..?nnar•san i n a letter that i=le t=rou l d c:ar•is i der letting h i rn put sap vne sign . 1•'y E;r• i sg i i i L-Ir•cit"ICai-li:: up thy:' fal 1 or,.~ i ng: (a) i n~~u i r~:.~d abau t r•ef 1 ec toes for• the C i boi o Cr••eek crossing (Steve S i rnc:ir'i=.;c:lri said maybe sarneth i ng cat..l l d be t=~arkec! aut c=rheri the r•a i 1 r•c~ad bridge i s r•ep 1 aced) , (b) f-I i l d Marine has a b l inking light, (c) Witten ar~d D i rnr'•or_'k r7eed a street 1 i gist, tci) said, i n his ol:a i n i an, tl-ie Scher'•t F'ar'•kl=lay f i a~~ca "st i nks'~ (CJ~:~a=:~n' t i i !~e being asked to serve can a c~rarnrn i t i;ee and t1'~>Wsn n~::'ver• h~-iv i ng arty meetings (e) r~z;~ed '4r•af f i c ar~d street s i gr7s for• Saval~inai-~ Srw-ir.aar•e, (f) ar:;keci i f Scher•tt_ ever paints curbs red i n fr•ant of f i r•e hydr-ants, (g) ofd Jim Shepherd model home has na sidel.~alk= (h) ask i f Caur~ try C1 t.~b Gr• i ve i s i n the City of Sci~er• tt and when i nforrned 7bC)' of i t i s, asked why •t t hay:; a speed bump, and (i) has heard Retama Palo Center is one of two prime places being cans i der•ed far• tt•ie Pape to have his Mas , and said i f it's chosen, ~=re shou 1 d make carne kind of p 1 an to hand 1 e the crolArds. David Alien asked if anything in the band appr•aval included the _ repa i r• of s i detara 1 ks because ' carne i n Va 1 Verde are i n need of r•epa i r•. Steve S i rnansari said nat to his knal.rl edge. David Allen suggested that mobile homes versus rnoduiar homes be pt.at an a future agenda fear d i scuss i an. ~6) . _ ...............~..._.................v...v.ut+~nay.ity'i:~l1.>..vi:ti3ZSh Steve S i rnansar~ cornrner~ited that hlr•. G i 1 rnar-•e i ~ da i ng carne r~•etlar• i t i ng of the t~l;:~~i i 1 e Harne Or•d i nanc:e arad as i 1 1 be giving a r_-apy to F' Y ann i ng and Z:ar? i ng . C)~~v i ci Al 1 er~? r•ernar•Eted tt?at i f th~> City F'al ice cF?aca~~r_,y to i gnar•e tl°?e ~:~afety t~el t 1 ate at 1 r:~a~t ti~;~y ,ai~r~,u 1 dn' t i eav;= the Seat bel t ci~:ar~gl i ng r.;ut,~ i de the c~?r~- clacar•. ~!#3 AC7,li~t~f21~11'~i~iV~l" C:t-~a i r•rnan Yar• 1 i ng ad,jaur•r~?ed 1:t~?e rne~~t i r?g a •i: 5': C' l F' . M. °fhe r•?e:r::t t~•egu 1 ar• 1 y ~chr::~dtJ ~ L-?d rn;:yet i ilg i 3 ,.lan?Jar•y i:'7, 1~r'13;'. t~)