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07-12-1988 PLANNING AND ZONING MINUTES The Schertz Planning and Zoning Commission convened in a regular session on Tuesday, July 12, 1988 at 7:00 P.M. in the MunicipaY Complex Conference Room, 1400 Live Oak Road. Those present were as follows: PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION OTHERS PRESENT BOB ANDREWS, CHAIRMAN JOHN E. PAPAGOLOS, TY BRISGILL VICE-CHAIRMAN TRAMMELL CROW CO. KEITH VAN DINE, SECRETARY RICK EVANS, JACK MERWIN WILLMAN IN THE BOX MARY MARSH JIM SHRIVER, SCHERTZ JOE POTEMPA BUSINESS CLUB KEN GREENWALD, COUNCILMAN JOEL LOEHMAN MEMBERS ABSENT CITY STAFF GEORGE VICK STEVE SIMONSON, CITY MGR. NORMA ALTHOUSE, RECORDING SECRETARY #1 CALL TO ORDER Chairman Andrews called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M. #2 APPROVAL OL' MINUTES: Regular Session June 28, 1988 Mary Marsh asked that on Page 3, Paragraph 3, where it reads "Ford Engineering", it be changed in both instances to read "the City Engineer". Merwin Willman made a motion to approve the minutes, as amended, for the regular session June 28, 1988. Keith Van Dine seconded the motion and the vote was as follows: AYES: B. Andrews, K. Van Dine, M. Willman, M. Marsh, J. Potempa NAYS: None ABSTENTIONS: T. Brisgill Motion carried. #3 CITIZENS' INPUT OTHER THAN AGENDA ITEMS There was none. #4 CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION: Trammell Crow Co. Request for One Year Extension of Permit for Thistle Creek Subdivision Sign John Papagolos of Trammell Crow was at the meeting to represent this request. .....,..».».....w»..w..»~..»..,.,.,.,.>..>...t,.o»,..>.,...,....,.........s-,.....v..w..sarc.na>xu.x.zu>mx,.swxuawsx•, „sxsxsxwaoxus>u<u.zaacauuuaa.wa<acwucxucw,cstxenucxumm<.~,:axxxxx+a+LVUavuzsx.nczot4cfi ibt%Ydit.4i9iYdfbY69iStN Chairman Andrews asked if there was any further input from Trammell Crow. Steve Simonson replied he had received a letter from ,John Papagolos in June asking for consideration of an extension of the permit for the Thistle Creek Subdivision sign. Mr. Simonson said he asked the Commission their feelings on this at the last meeting and they recommended sending a letter to John Papagolos informing him of when the next Planning and Zoning meeting would be held and asking for his presence at the meeting to answer questions. Mr. Simonson further stated that John Papagolos is present at the meeting tonight to speak on his own behalf . John Papagolos passed out a plat to illustrate Thistle Creek Phase I, saying it has a total of 140 lots, 43 of which still remain vacant. Mr. Papagolos did say three houses are under construction and this represents a 69% build-out with 31o still remaining to be built. Mr.~Papagolos also stated that Trammell Crow owns the remaining acreage in Thistle Creek which will accommodate 563 lots. John Papagolos stressed that without signs, builders cannot successfully market their product. He said Morton Southwest has closed it's model home in Thistle Creek and is marketing out of their Cimmarron Subdivision location, sending prospective buyers to look at homes in Thistle Creek and it is vital to have the sign there for direction. Mr. Papagolos also stated that Pulte has closed it's model-home in Thistle Creek, but is continuing to build. John Papagolos commented it is his understanding the original request for permitting the sign was granted with the agreement that it was for 3 years, renewable annually, or a 75o buildout of the subdivision, whichever came first. Mr. Papagolos pointed out that since it is not yet 75% built-out, this would be asking for the third year of the three year agreement and he would appreciate the Commission's consideration of this request for a renewal. _ Chairman Andrews remarked that he wasn't sure of the need for the sign since there are apparently no other phases of Thistle Creek on the drawing board. John Papagolos responded by saying there is another phase on the drawing board and they will be putting in new water lines in conjunction with the City of Cibolo. Mr. Papagolos stated he had spoken with representatives of the City of Cibolo just that afternoon. Ty Brisgill asked if Rob Sult is still with Trammell Crow and John Papagolcs replied that Mr. Sult is new with the Commercial Division. Ty Brisgill then asked if a letter that had been sent on March 23, 1988 by Steve Simonson, saying they needed to renew their -2- permit, had been received and John Papagolos said probably the ball had been dropped in that case because that was when some reorganizing of the company was going on. Ty Brisgill emphasized that one of his major concerns in working with Trammell Crow is the dealing in miles, that we need a more concrete contact for the City. John Papagolos assured Mr. Brisgill that the City can contact him at anytime and he will handle the situation. Chairman Andrews commented it has been a continual pattern in the past for the City to get no response from Trammell Crow until the privilege was denied. Mr. Andrews pointed out specifically that the City of Schertz has an Overlay Ordinance for Jack Hays Blvd. allowing signs only for on-site developments and that we made an exception and agreed to let Thistle Creek have their sign after they were refused permission for a sign by the City of Cibolo. John Papagolos asked what the past problems were that the City had encountered with Trammell Crow. Chairman Andrews replied the problem had been mostly with the bandit signs put up by Pulte - they were almost continually in violation of either the number of signs or the spacing permitted between signs. Chairman Andrews stated that the .Commission is concerned with aesthetics because of Jack Hays Blvd. being one of the entrances coming into the City. Mr. Andrews further said that maintenance and upkeep were one of the reasons for the renewal requirement for the sign. John Papagolos did point aut that the sign had been well maintained and would continue to be well maintained by Trammell Crow. Merwin Willman made a motion to approve the request from Trammell Crow for a one-year renewal of the permit for the Thistle Creek Subdivision sign effective March 1, 1988. Mary Marsh seconded the motion and the vote was unanimous in favor. Motion carried. After the vote Chairman Andrews brought up the fact that it would be advantageous for the permits to be issued to John Papagolos. Ken Greenwald explained that what we need is a letter from John Papagolos explaining the transfer of Rob Sult to ancther division and therefore requesting that the permits now be put in Mr. Papagolcs' name. Steve Simonson informed John Papagolos he will be sending him a letter and will include a copy of the Overlay Ordinance. Mr. Simonson said he will need in return a letter stating that Trammell Crow will follow the guidelines of the Overlay Ordinance. -3- ~5 CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION: Joel & Debbie Loehman - Request for a Backyard Setback Variance at 128 Lincoln Drive Joel Loehman was at the meeting to represent this request. Chairman Andrews asked if there was any Staff input. Before that question could be 'answered, Ty Brisgill interrupted to inquire as to why the Planning and Zoning Commission should be considering a variance for this request. Mr. Brisgill said it seems to be more a matter of access and a property line dispute which are not the Commission's problems. Joel Loehman- spoke up to say that he had called the City Inspector and was informed he; would not be issued a permit to move his fence back 16' until he had the approval of the Planning and Zoning Commission. Merwin Willman commented the ordinance states what is permitted and it can be done if he provides access to the easement. Steve Simonson said the Inspector had a question on it and so he thought he would run it by the Planning and Zoning Commission. Mr. Simonson went on to say there obviously is no problem. The consensus of the Commission was that this item be turned back over to the Inspection Department. ~6 CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTIOAT: The Berne Group, Inc., cn Behalf of Jack in the Box Restaurants, Request for Variance to Sign Ordinance Ricls Evans of Jack in the Box Restaurants was at t:ze meting to represent this request. Chairman Andrews asked if there was any Staff input and Steve Simcnson replied there was none. Mr. Simonson went on tc say that the people from Jack in the Box have all the ordinances and a.re also aware of the building codes. Chairman Andrews informed the Commission this request is for two variances - one for the height and one fcr the number cf sides cn the sign. Mary Marsh commented they had provided a very nice package and that she saw nothing wrong with granting both variances. Mrs. Marsh went on to .say the four-sided sign is their logo and it is a national logo. Merwin Willman remarked that the Commission had granted variances before when it is a national logo. -4- .Chairman Andrews said he agreed only with the variance for. the four-sided. sign, he has some questions on the 75' height. ,Rick Evans explained that they had trucks with booms come out and put up the sign and they-drove up and down the interstate checking the visibility of the sign at different elevations. Mr. Evans said .there is no problem northbound, but. there is a problem :southbound because they are tucked back in the corner. Mr. Evans said at 50' their sign would be behind Stop-N-Go and so they feel 75' is necessary. Chairman Andrews, stating he is always trying to look ahead, said he fully visualizes, in 3 to 5 years, a lot going on at that corner and asked what happens if each new business that comes in .wants their sign higher. Mr. Andrews said they will look at Jack in. the Box and say they were granted a variance for a higher :sign, and thus expect to be granted a similar variance. Rick Evans indicated that he thought Jack in the Box should receive some consideration because, in times like these, they are stepping to the forefront with their dollars. Mary Marsh pointed out there is such a thing as placement of signs, and others that come later will have to take that into consideration. Mary Marsh asked if they had checked the effect of wind velocity on the sign and Rick Evans replied that they had. There was a brief discussion on the size of the sign with Ty Brisgill asking if the 250 total square footage allowed was an overall total of all sides or a total fcr one side. The consensus of the Commission was that it is a total f_cr one side. Ty Brisgill told Rick Evans he was very impressed with their package and wished everyone would provide the Commission with as much information when requesting a variance. Mr. Brisgill said good information makes the Commission's job much easier. Keith Van Dine made a motion to approve the request from Jack in the Box for two variances to the Sign Ordinance: (1) a variance allowing them to have a four-sided sign because it is their national Iogo and (2) a 25' variance allowing thorn to have a sign 75' in height, a necessity because of the curve in the road to allow southbound traffic on If3-35 to be able t:~ see their sign in time to take the FM 3009 exit. Joe Potempa seconded the motion and the vote was as f:~llows: AYES: B. Andrews, K. Vari Dine, M. Marsh, J. Potem~=a WAYS: T. Brisgill, M. Willmar. ABSTENTIONS: None Motion carried. -5- ,,,,,wa.,.waaa:.e..Hasa,~+.w•...a~.va..w..xtasswn,ucxu.zaxratxt:a,:cxs:.~;,u.~as3w.i>s x.a wr;~sca~raaxtaeaeasatxtacatxcsaxutxaaweatsa axaxtyw.an;ux:.ww~~uS3isASaS~IaSdYS:xtFRa5a~t7~ax4E4atat![axk[rSYoRF«x4xi>iY.4xoxfL6t4iS~HrkQT32MYik~ki58XiHY4xfXbSW1W~ifB%bRdk~ #7 GENERAL DISCOSSION Merwin Willman reminded the Commission about the letter in their packages requesting funds to be included in the next proposed budget. Mary Marsh asked if the funds requested for books would be enough and Steve Simonson informed Mrs. Marsh we do have some books already on hand. Chairman Andrews said George Vick had called him to say he may be absent for 3 or 4 meetings - a member of his family is seriously ill. Keith Van Dine had brought a packet of information pertaining to Texas Department of Correction facilities and told everyone they were welcome to look it over. Mr. Van Dine said at the moment TDC has enough potential sites, but if anyone wants to put in a bid, they will put you on the list. Mary Marsh said she had made numerous attempts to get hold of Randy Grossman, but had been unsuccessful so far. Mr. Grossman has not turned in the books and material supplied to him when he was a Commission member and so it was suggested that he be sent a letter by return receipt mail. Steve Simonson, referencing a couple of questions that were asked of him at the last meeting, informed the Commission of the following: (1) Salvage Enterprises refused to answer a letter, so they have been sent a citation, and (2) Joseph Marks did not agree to paint the metal fence at his junkyard on FM 1518. Steve Simonson told the Commission he had been approached by some representatives of MediPure who are interested in establishing their business in the old Star Tile building. Their business is the incineration of infectious and biomedical waste. Mr. Simonson said they had previcusly tried to locate at IH-35 and Laop 410 but San Antonio disapproved their request due to citizen protest. Mr. Simonson said, unless there is something in the ordinance he is not aware of, he found nothing to preclude them from establishing their business in Schertz and he would like to have the thoughts of the Commission on this possibility. Mr. Simonson further stated they have to meet all kinds of regulations and specifications and obtain all kinds of permits to operate their facility. Steve Simonson explained a little bit of their operation to the Commission and said they had indicated they would be glad to came and speak to the Commission if they were interested. -6- ~ .....+.............~......:.....o...~...........m.......e...........~......__....~_.a..__.._uavwuuc~.ssaaauw~c~~+aic+ucv.~vnw~rvavcinxvv..• - ~tMts6tYe i^~•. •~•Sl[S~II~b' e?SS`S'.4Z'.42CIiti]L5.4f"~]f][1iFfSLS43YVYd5.~...:~ Merwin Willman commented that if the City of Schertz is interested, he thinks it would be best to recommend they apply .for a Specific Use Permit so as to allow the City more control. After some discussion on possible hazardous conditions, tax base, number of people they may employ, and objections that may be voiced if it would go to a public hearing, the Commission recommended Steve Simonson look into it further by talking to the City Managers of the other cities in Texas where MediPure has located to see how things have worked out with them. #S ADJOURNMENT Chairman Andrews adjourned the meeting at 8:17 P.M. The next regularly scheduled meeting is July 26, 1988. -7-