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PLANNING AND ZONING MINUTES
The Schertz Planning and Zoning Commission convened in a regular
session on Tuesday April 12, 1988 at 7:00 P.M. in the Municipal
Complex Conference Room, 1400 Schertz Parkway. Those present
were as follows:
PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION OTHERS PRESENT
BOB ANDREWS, CHAIRMAN MAYOR EARL SAWYER
TY BRISGILL, VICE-CHAIRMAN CONNIE JAMES, GREENFIELD
KEITH VAN DINE, SECRETARY VILLAGE HOMEOWNERS` ASSOC.
MERWIN WILLMAN R.J. REED
MARY MARSFi BOB REED
GEORGE VICK TOM BATES
KEN GREENWALD, COUNCILMAN BETTY STURROCK
CITY STAFF
STEVE SIMONSON, ASST. CITY MGR.
NORMA ALTHOUSE, RECORDING SECY.
#1 CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Andrews called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M.
#2 APPROVAL OF MINUTES: A. Regular Session March 22, 1988
B. Special Session April 5, 1988
A. Regular Session March 22, 1988
Mary Marsh made a motion to approve the minutes for the Regular
Session March 22, 1988. Keith Van Dine seconded the motion and
the vote was unanimous in favor. Motion carried.
B. Special Sessicn April 5, 1988
Mary Marsh noted that on page 4, next to last line, the word
"line" should be changed to "like".
Chairman Andrews asked that on page 6, fourth paragraph, the
phrase "if in the future the properties on the other sides
develop" be changed to "when the properties on the other sides
develop".
George Vick made a motion to approve the minutes, as amended, for
the Special Session April 5, 1988. Keith Van Dine seconded the
motion and the vote was unanimous in favor. Motion carried.
#3 CITIZENS' INPUT OTHER THAN AGENDA ITEMS
There was none.
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~4, CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION: Anne Corman, on
Behalf of Homesteaders .Arts & Crafts, Request
to Place 13 Signs and 1 Banner at Various
Locations Around the City for Advertisement
of an Arts & Crafts Show the Weekend of April
30th and Mary 1st
Betty Sturrock was at the meeting, to represent Anne Corman, on
behalf of Homesteaders Arts & Crafts. Mrs. Sturrock informed the
Commis-ion they have -three shows each year and they have held
them previously in Eden Roc and Woodlake and this is the first
show to be held in: Schertz, and it will be at the Woodland Oaks
Subdivision. Mrs ._,Sturrock said what they do is display their
arts and crafts at one of the model homes in the subdivision,
this particular model home will be a Gemcraft model.
The signs requested by the group are as follows:
(1) 1 portable sign at the corner of FM 78 and Jack Hays Blvd.
(2) 1 portable sign at the corner of IH-35 and Jack Hays Blvd.
(3) 1 sign at the corner of Elbel Rd. and Jack Hays Blvd.
(4) 1 sign at the corner of First St. and FM 78.
(5) 1 sign at the corner of Aviation and Main St.
(6) 4 "follow me" sign on FM 78
(7) 4 "follow me" signs on Jack Hays Blvd.
(8) 1 banner on the wooden fence at the entrance of Woodland Oaks
on the corner of Dimrock and Jack Hays Blvd.
Mrs. Sturrock explained that alI the signs, with the exception of
the portable signs, would be put up on April 24th and removed on
May 2nd; the portable signs would be put up before the show on
April 30th and removed after the show on May 1st.
Chairman Andrews asked if the portable signs will be the standard
4' x 6' size and Mrs. Sturrock replied yes they will.
Ty Brisgill asked if the show is held all week and Mrs. Sturrock
replied no, just the two days of the weekend - April 30th and May
1st.
Ken Greenwald asked if all the people displaying the arts and
crafts are local people and was infcrmed by Mrs. Sturrock they
are all local.
Chairman Andrews asked how many participants there will be and
Mrs. Sturrock replied there will be 25 participants.
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Chairman Andrews than asked if there will be someone manning the
site and Mrs. Sturrock replied they have someone in each room
where the arts and crafts are displayed.
Chairman Andrews asked what other means of advertising they use
besides the signs. Mrs. Sturrock replied they send, out
approximately 1700 flyers to people who have attended previous
shows.
Mrs. Sturrock had explained that some of their signs are homemade
ones that look dike little houses and- Ty Brisgill asked
specifically about the one they plan on putting at the corner of
Aviation and Main .Street as far as the size and how they put it
up. Mrs. Sturrock said it would be a 3' x 5` sign on pegs that
go in the ground.
Merwin Willman commented it is hard for him to understand the
need for all these signs when there are other means of
advertising. Mr. Willman further stated the library had just
held a successful book sale without the benefit of signs all over
the City.
George Vick pointed out that people are coming to this from
outside the area and they will need directions.
Keith Van Dine asked Mrs. Sturrock if these are directional signs
and she said with the. exception of the "follaw me" sign they are
not. Mrs. Sturrock further stated that the group has considered
net putting out the "fellow me" signs if the other signs are
allowed.
Mary Marsh commented she has a tendency to agree with Merwin
Willman in thinking this many signs are excessive.
Fieith Van Dine asked if the flyer has a map on it and was
informed by Mrs. Sturrock that it does.
Mary Marsh made a motion to approve the request from Homesteaders
Arts and Crafts for two portable signs only (1 at FM 78 and Jack
Hays Blvd. and 1 at IH-35 and Jack Hays Blvd.) and 1 banner on
the wooden fence at the entrance of Woodland Oaks on the ccrner
of Dimrock and Jack Hays Blvd., and to disapprove the request for
all other signs.
George Vick seconded the motion and the vote was as fallows:
AYES: B. Andrews, T. Brisgill, K. Van Dine, M. Marsh, G. Vick
NAYS: M. Willman
ABSTENTIONS: None
Motion carried.
Steve Simonson infcrmed Mrs. Sturrock he would be sending a
letter informing Anne Corman of the Commissicn's decision and
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also informed her that someone from the club could come into the
Inspection Department anytime to obtain permits for the portable
signs.
~5 CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION: Bob Reed of Big State
Auto Auction, Inc. - Request for Variance to
Allow Mobile Homes at 18780 IH-35 North
(Property Zoned GB)
Bob Reed was at the meeting to represent this request.
Chairman Andrews asked Steve Simonson for any Staff input.
Steve Simonson said he had been given to understand the mobile
homes were moved in, but Mr. Reed says they were there when he
.bought the property. Mr. Simonson also said he had sent a letter
to Mr. Reed requesting the dimensions of the property and the
exact locations of the mobile homes, but had never received a
reply.
Bob Reed commented a survey of his property was taken, but he
does not have a copy of it yet, and he also assured the
Commission the mobile homes were there when he bought the
property.
Ty Brisgill asked Bob Reed if he intends on moving alI the mobile
homes to the back cf the property, Mr. Brisgill had noticed one
parallel to the fence.
Bob Reed replied that it is the intention to move all the mobile
homes to the back of the property except the one parallel to the
fence which is having some improvements made to it to make it
something better than a mobile home.
Ty Brisgill then asked about the portable camper located by the
.shed and Bob Reed explained that is a motor home being used as a
residence until the facility by the gate is finished.
Chairman Andrews asked what the intent is for the use of the
property and Bob Reed replied he intends to make use of what's
there by moving the mobile homes to the back, installing a nice
fence across the front of them, and then expanding Big State
Auction, Mr. Reed went on to explain that the business of Big
State Auto Auction is selling cars and pick-ups for banks, lease
companies, auto dealers, etc.
Ty Brisgill asked if the remodeled mobile home will be used as an
office and Bob Reed said it will be remodeled to look line an old
historic bunkhouse matching the western decor of the restaurant
and will be used as a bunkhouse.
Ken Greenwald asked if they are just now installing the septics
and Bob Reed replied that is correct.
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Merwin Willman remarked that. in the request it appears Bob Reed
is asking for a Mobile Home Park and he informed Mr. Reed that a
Mobile Home Park must be a minimum of at least 10 acres.
Chairman Andrews asked the depth of the property from IH-35 and
Bob Reed replied he doesn't know, but he had paid for 1200. feet
of f ence .
Chairman 'Andrews then asked if he intends on renting out the
mobile homes and Bob .Reed replied no, they will be living
quarters for security personnel.
Bob Reed emphasized that he does not intend on putting in a
mobile home park .and noted that the four mobile homes are riot
located in the City of Schertz because all of his property is not
in the City.
Steve Simonson responded to this by pointing out that all of Mr.
Reed's property is in the Schertz ETJ which means it is in
Schertz' control. Mr. Simonson went on to say that what we're
looking at here is a nonconformance use for the four existing
mobile home units.
Chairman Andrews pointed out to Bob Reed that the Commission
wishes for business to succeed, they do not wish to hamper it' s
success, but he should understand they are also trying to look to
the future.
Merwin Willman commented he would like to have some better
information from Bob Reed stating his exact purpose for use of
the property. That better information should also include actual
dimensions, location where the mobile Domes will be, and a legal
description of the property.
Chairman Andrews said it seems to him the Commission has two
choices: (1) to make a motion to approve the variance contingent
on receiving the survey with exact dimensions and a letter
stating the mobile homes will be used for security purposes only,
or (2) tabling action until the survey is provided.
Keith Van Dine asked Bob Reed how many security people he expects
to have and Mr. Reed said anywhere from a minimum of four to a
maximum of six .
Ty Brisgill made a motion to approve the request from Bob Reed of
Big State Auto Auction, Inc. for a variance to allow mobile homes
at 18780 IH-35 North contingent upon receiving, within 30 days,. a
diagram showing actual dimensions of the property and exact
locations of the mobile homes, and a letter stating there will be
a maximum of four mobile homes and they will be used for security
purposes only.
Keith Van Dine seconded the motion and the vote was unanimous in
favor. Motion carried.
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#6 CONSIDER AND TARE APPROPRIATE ACTION: Preliminary and Final
Plat Approval - Vacating Plat of Lot 1, Block
1. N.C.S. Subdivision Unit 2 and a
Resubdivision Plat Establishing Lots 2 & 3,
Block 1, N.C.S. Subdivision Unit 2 (Property
Zoned GB)
Tom Bates of W.F. Castella & Associates was at the meeting to
represent this request.
Chairman Andrews asked Steve Simonson for any Staff input.
Steve Simonson informed the Commission this is a simple
resubdivision of an existing plat. Mr. Simonson further stated
there is enough frontage to meet the requirements of the
ardinance for a business, it also meets the 10,000 square foot
area requirement, there are utilities available to the property,
and the Staff sees no problem with this plat.
Tom Bates commented they are thinking about selling off Lot 3 and
one prospective buyer is a Dairy Queen fra:.chise.
Chairman Andrews asked if the land isn't putted and was informed
by Steve Simonson it is not.
Merwin Willman asked if it's in Comal C;:nty and was informed,
no, it is in Guadalupe. County.
Merwin Willman mentioned there was something on the plat he
didn't understand and that was the 3 spir~_ type approaches.
Steve Simonson noted the spiral approaches were required by the
State Highway Department and that was on -ne original plat which
has nothing to do with Lot 3.
Mary Marsh made a motion to approve the preliminary and final '
vacating plat. of Lot 1, Block 1, N.C.S. Subdivision Unit 2 and
the resubdivision plat establishing~Lots ? & 3, Block 1, N.C.S.
Subdivision Unit 2. Merwin Willman secc:~ed the motion and the
vote was unanimous in favor. Motion carried.
#7 CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION: Dan Judson - Request
" for Sign Variance at 810-812 Main Street
Allowing 1 Additional S_gn at the Rear of the
Property to Face FM 78 t?roperty Zoned GB)
There was no one at the meeting to represent this request.
Chairman Andrews commented he thought the Commission had talked
about authorizing businesses on Main Stree~ to have an additional
sign at the back of their business facing fM 78 and had included
it in the ordinance.
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Merwin Willman affirmed Chairman Andrews` statement and admitted
he was going to write up something for the ordinance and had.
forgotten about it.
Gearge Vick made a motion to approve the request from Dan Judson
for a sign variance at 810-812 Main Street allowing 1 additional
sign at the rear of the property to face.FM 78. Keith Van Dine
seconded the motion and the vote was unanimous in favor. Motion.
carried..
CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION: Discussion on the
Zoning of the Area Known as Greenfield Village
III lEli Whitney & Cyrus McCormick)
Merwin Willman informed the Commission that in March, 1981 they
approved the preliminary plat for Greenfield Village III with the
intention of R-5A residences being built there. The final plat
was approved in September, 1981. In May 1983, the area was
annexed into the City and from that time forward no action has
been ta]cen on the zoning, so it is actually still PD. Mr.
Willman said he feels the only thing tc da is zone it as R-5A.
Merwin Willman commented he didn't know if approval cf the new
Zoning Ordinance (which had included the official map) could have
automatically mach the zoning of this property R-5A ar not.
Steve Simonson brought out the official zoning map and the area
of Greenfield Village III was penciled in as R-5A.
Merwin [n'illman further commented a public hearing had been held
for the new Zoning Ordinance which had included the official map.
The consensus of the Commission was that the public hearing
should have taken care of the situation.
Chairr,~an Andrews asked if the Commission could make a
recommendation tc City Council regarding this situation and Steve
Simonson replied that he thought since the ordinance and the map
had been accepted, nothing further is needed.
Before going to the next item, Mayor Sawyer said he would like to
ask a question. The mayor asked if there is any way when a final
plat and/or map is signed that a Commissioner can prove that is
the very same plat that was signed. The mayor said this problem
had arisen in a legal case in which the City was involved.
Chairman Andrews, having been involved in that particular legal
case, said since that time he has requested that a Julian date be
on all plats and/or maps before they are signed.
~9 CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION: Discussion on
Updating the City Plan (Pages 58 through 96)~
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Chairman Andrews asked Steve Simonson if the Commission is going .
to have the help of a student from one of the local colleges for
some of the research on the City Plan. Mr. Simonson replied lie
will :have that information for the Commission in their next
package. .
Steve Simonson commented he had seen the new City map and it is
almost finished. Mr. Simonson went.on to say that maybe he:will
have a copy of it for the Commission by the next meeting.
The Commission reviewed pages 58 through 96, but because some of
the Commissioners had been unable to get their paperwork (various
parts of the City Plan-they had volunteered to update) in before
the meeting, it was decided review the same pages at the next
meeting. Mary Marsh volunteered to update the section on the
Library and the Fire Department and Chairman Andrews volunteered
to update one of the sections on housing.
There was some discussion on the growth of the City with Merwin
Willman saying that the population figures as well as the price
of land is hurting the growth.
Steve Simonson remarked the City has no control over pcpulation
figures given out by TML, the Census Bureau or AACOG. Mr.
Simonscn did say, however, that the informaticn given out about
the City can be controlled in the Randolph Metrocom Chamber of
Commerce brochures and the City of Schertz handouts.
All the members of the Commission agreed that there needs to be
an cngoi:lg campaign to" sell the City of Schertz and all it's
advantages to prospective businesses.
Keith Van Dine expressed the opinion that everyone should take
pride in promoting the City.
Mary Marsh said she would like to suggest that when the
page 97 of the City Pian, which is the beginning of the pargtethat
deals with objectives and goals for the future,
different method of dcing it. Mrs. Marsh saidhsherhfeelsothey
should take one subject at a time, talk it out, see where they
are going with it in the future, and see how they want to get
there.
#10 GENERAL DISCDSSION
Mary Marsh brought up the following:
(1) Commented a date needs to be set for the joint trip around
the City by the City Council and the Planning & Zoning
Ccmmission. (Chairman Andrews asked Ken Greenwald if he would
have the Council look into some dates for the trip.)
(2) Asked if the Commission is advertising for a new member to
fill the vacancy left by Randy Grossman. (Steve Simonson asked
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the Commission if they want to advertise or if they want to use
the names from the last time and Chairman Andrews said to go
ahead and advertise.)
(3) Said, in reference to the widening of Jack Hays Boulevard,
they. are going to keep the pressure on for stop lights. Mrs.
Marsh informed Steve Simonson that if they have their druthers,
they would like stop lights at two locations - intersection of
Oak Forest and Deerhaven subdivisions and at intersection of
Woodland Oaks and Greenshire subdivisions. (Steve Simonson
stated they still need the fina l right-of-way map for the
widening of Jack Hays.) (Chairman Andrews reminded Mrs. Marsh
that letters need to be :sent in plurality because the number of
letters received has more influence than a lot of signatures on
.just one letter.)
Keith Van Dine asked Steve Simonson if there are plans to put
another dumpster --in the Schirmerville area or was that just a
.once a year occurrence and Steve Simonson replied that was just a
once-a-year occurrence for Spring Clean-Up.
Keith Van Dine informed the Commission that next month San
Antonio is having a public hearing tc get public input on
locating a penitentiary in their City. Mr. Van Dine thought it
might not be a bad idea to have a public hearing in Schertz for
the same reason. (Chairman Andrews asked that discussion of this
be on the agenda of the next regularly scheduled meeting.)
George Vick asked how far inside the Schertz City limits the
Selma cops are allowed to come and was informed they could come
into the City limits if they are in "hot pursuit".
Mayor Sawyer told the Commission the Schertz Police Department
will be patrolling more of IH-35 because the Highway Department
~s pulling out.
Merwin Willman brought up the following:
(1) Asked if Council approved the fencing variance for the
junkyard on FM 1515. (Steve Simonson replied it had been
approved.)
(2) Said he will have something at the next meeting for the Sign
Ordinance regarding businesses on Main Street being allowed to
have a sign facing FM 78.
(3) Asked Steve Simonson if there had been a change in the
minimum area required for a septic tank and Steve Simonson
replied the requirement is now 1/2 acre.
(4 ) Questioned why al l the dirt is being put under the railroad
bridge on FM 78. (Mayer Sawyer asked Steve Simonson to look into-
this matter and let him know the results of the inquiries.)
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(5) Asked why the two new water tanks- are ground level and not
elevated.
Mayor Sawyer reminded Mr. Willman that Schertz's land is
elevated.
Merwin Willman then questioned if the City Engineer is telling us
what's best.
Steve Simonson responded to this by saying there are always two
choices and the City Council made it's decision from engineering
data provided and with regard to visibility, aesthetics and long-
. term maintenance.
Ty Brisgill asked what COMA is drilling and Ken Greenwald
informed him they are installing a geothermal heating system.
Ty Brisgill also asked if the City has money for streets signs
for Bent Tree in Greenshire and Steve Simonson said he would
check on it.
.Steve Simonson, in regard to the Home Occupation at 30? Aero and
whether or not they have a permit, said he had sent the
inspectors by and they couldn't find any sign of a business.
Also, in regard to the gentleman repairing lawnmowers at 306
Winburn, Steve Simonson said he requested a Home Occupation
Permit. Since lawnmower repair is not allowed as a home
occupation according to the ordinance, Mr. Simonson said he will
b~ sending the gentleman a letter to that effect.
Chairman Andrews asked when the baseball season opens and was
informed it had opened last Saturday.
Mayor Sawyer spoke briefly on the benefits of having an ex-
officio system whereby someone representing the City serves as
liaison between a community organization and the City. The
mayor said they are in need of someone for BVYA.
Mayor Sawyer had received a letter from Forbes Management, Inc.
and asked that copies of it be made and distributed to all
Commission members.
George Vicl~ commented on the yard sale sign (for a yard sale in
Marion) at Main and Aviation which is put up every Tuesday and
disappears on Sunday. Steve Simonson said actually it is
advertising the Itsy-Bitsy Flea market in MdriJn.
Merwin Willman suggested that maybe there should be a bulletin
board in areas where people put. up so many yard sale signs.
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X11 ADJOURNMENT
Chairman Andrews adjourned the meeting at 9:24 P.M.
The next regularly scheduled meeting is April 26, 1988.
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