06-08-1993 PLANNING, AND ZONING MINUTES
" The Schertz. Planning and Zoning Commission convened. in a.
regular. "session on" muesday, "June 8,. 19"93 at .7.:00 'P.M... .in. the
" :.Municipal :Complex"_. "conference ~ :room, 1400 Scher~tz_ Parkway, ~ .
Schert_z, Texas. Those present"were as follows.: "
" ~ PLANNING &""ZOT~TING COMMI~~S:ION"..`~. . " . O~TI"fER5~"PRESENT''. ~ . .
B08. ANDREWS:.:. CHAI~tMAN ,7UDY D.IETZ
GEORGE VICR,. VICE-CHAIRMAN LARRY JARMAN
MERWIN WILLMAN PIA JARMAN
KEITH VAN DINE NELSON CAV.IN
DAVID RICHMOND TONY MORENO
EEN GREENWALD,~.COUNCILMAN" JIM BOX
DON
CITY STAFF` MCIRARY
GREG M MS
STEVE SIMONSON,. ASST. CITY MGR.
NORMA ALTHOUSE,.RECORDING SE~'Y.
~1 CAT,L TO ORDER
Chairman Andrews called the meeting to order at 7:02 P.,M..
#2 APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Regular Session May 11, 1993
Merwin .Willman made a motion to approve the. minutes for the
regular session "May 11, 1993. .David Richmond. seconded the
motion and the vote was unanimous in favor. Motion carried.
#3. CITIZENS' INPUT OTHER .THAN AGENDA ITEMS
There was none. "
CONSIDER AND TAKE .APPROPRIATE ACTION: Final.Plat Approval
Mims Subdivision (PC.#193-93)
Greg Mims was at the meeting to represent this request.
Chairman Andrews asked for Staff input.
Steve Simonson reminded the Commission they now have the proof
of purchase by Greg Mims in their packages and then advised he
had spoken with Ed Ford, City Engineer, and Mr. Ford had
suggested that since Old Nacogdoches will be widened some day,
they obtain an additional 10' right-of-way in that little
corner. Greg Mims indicated he has no .problem in dedicating
that additional right-of-way.
Steve. Simonson further stated he had spoken with BQb Leininger
of Fisher Engineering about needing the owner's name and
address on`the plat" and the identification, on the plat; of
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adjacent ,landowners. by Volume and Page of Record. According .to
. Mr. Simonson, .Bob Leininger indicated .there would be no •
problem adding these items to~the~mylars.. h€ these items.. are
a.daed .:ta the: . mylars and. .the ~~~~dditional :~~right=of-.way `is'
. . , dedicated, ~ Mr. ~ _ Simonson .sa:c~~ the . Staff-, recommends. approval , o£ . ~ .
:the ~i•lat. .
~Merwn Wi~~lman~ mac~e•~ a~.mat~gn..to:.approve•. the .final :plat, for. the
- ~ Mms:~• "Stil?divi~sion''coritzngent: on•• the 'dedication ~by Mr: 'Mims ~ o.f . ~ "
the . .addtiona-1 . 10.' ~ ~ right-'of -way aiid ~ the addition, on: -.the
. - :;.:mylars,; ~ of°.~the~~.owner's-;~nartie .and; a~ddress~.and-the. identificati~on~
. of adjacent landowners. by Volume and .Page of Record.
Keith Van Dine seconded the motion and the vote was unanimous
in favor. Motion carried.
#5 CONSIDER :.AND MAKE RECOMMENDATION: Request from Kerry R:
Gilbert and Associates. on behalf of~ Wheat-
,stone Development `Corp: for the rezoning. of
86:6 acres-from R-2, R-4, R-5 ..arid. NS to R=6~.
in the area proposed as Dove Meadows Subdivi-
sion
Jiro Box, representative of the Mischer Corporation, and Don
McCrary,.,,.consulting..engneer,:w:ere:at the...meeting to:represent_
this request.
Chairman Andrews .asked for Staff input,
Steve Simonson displayed a drawing showing the area they are
requesting to be rezoned. Mr. Simonson .then `.explained how the
area is. currently zoned. Starting at the corner .of FM 300.9 and
Borgfeld Road,. if you follow Borgfeld Road,-there.-are large
blocks on both sides of the current drainage ditch. zoned: R-4
(apartmentlmult~.-.family., .,dwelling) There is also..: a small:
corner zoned ~ NS (neighborhood services). Down Dietz Road';
across from Dobie Middle School is an R-5 (garden home) area
separated. by the gas easement which runs through the middle of
the City. Next. to that, fronting Thistle Creek, there is an
R-2 (single-family dwelling) area with another R-5 (garden
home) area in between the-R-2 (single-family dwelling). Then
at the corner of Dietz Road and Thistle Creek, coming up the
drainage channel, there is an R-2 (single-family. dwelling)
area. They are requesting that all of these areas be rezoned
to R-6 (single-family dwelling). The Mischer Company is
involved and they are the .parent :company of.Dov.er Homes.. They
will also'be requesting two variances.
Jim Box spoke at this- time saying he is pleased to be
associated with the City of Schertz. The:-Mischer Corporation-
has been in construction for almost. 40 years. They are not
investors, they are developers and builders.
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Mr. Box indicated they will be building homes in Dove Meadows
similar to those they are building in Woodland Oaks. They will
be requesting a variance to allow 5' side yard setbacks and a
variance to allow ZO' front yard setbacks... The lots will be
60' x .110'. an-d: 60' x 115' and the. homes.~wll range in.. price
from $8.6,OOO~.to $120,000. ~ ~
Chairman .A~idr.ews asked~f the homes wil be approximately the.`.
_ . ~am~ ~ ~ size.. as. ~ th.ose iii ._W.oodland ~ Oafs . as `:far ~ as sc~uaxe ; f oota.ge
'and'. Jim: Box .rep~lied~~yes~`they wial be. ~ ~ ~ ~ - ~ ~ ~ - ~
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`Chairman Andrews informed Jim~Box the Commission has discussions
of side yard setbacks on their agenda this evening.
There was then a bref'diseus.sion on easements with Jim Box.
saying they normally split the easements between. lots ,with the
''fence line- down ~tMe middle of the.easement: ~ `
Chairman Andrews advised. that. in one of the City's. subdivisions
the. easements .are not split,. they are. all on one lot. Jim Box...
stated that is not a. problem if that's. what the City wants them
to do. Mervin Willman. suggested the Commission discuss it
before coming to a decision.
David Richmond asked if a 2.0' setback.i_s a standard front yard
- setback and was' told• it i~s riot,.. the standard is~ 25' - '
Mr: Richmond then asked what the front yard. setback .is i.n
Woodland. .Oaks and Chairman Andrews. replied he would have. to
check into,it.
Steve Simonson .~.inter,jected~~that all-of Savannah Square was
granted a. variance .for a ]:0' front .yard setback.
David .Richmond asked. hoW..these homes, .that.are...going ,to be_.
. bui~lt.:.:by.. Dover,: compare. .-wt.h . then. ,.rest of:.. ahe ~ .homes:.:in.: .
5ilvertree as far as lots. and costs and Steve :Simonson'.answered
the homes are larger ~and~the lots are probably as big or
bigger.
Merwin Willman made a motion to recommend approval to City
Council of the request from Kerry R. Gilbert and Associates,
on behalf of Wheatstone Development, to rezone 86.6 acres from
R-2, R-4, R-5 and NS to R-6. It was also requested that a
public hearing be scheduled.
Keith Van Dine seconded. the motion. and the .vote was .unanimous .
in favor. Motion carried.
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Chairman Andrews asked Jim Box when they expect to get started
and Mr. Box .replied as quickly. .as possible.,
. #6CONSIDER. AND TAKE.' APPROPRIATE: A6T.ION: `.Master :Pla-n Approval
f or; ~ Drive ~ Meadows 5ubdivis ion
. Everyone had .been provided with a copy. of:;the Master Plan. ~
~ •~Charina~n .Andrews :.asked for ~S~t`aff `input: ~ ~ ~ ' . .
Steve Simonson reviewed: -'the fact, : -~that~ according` to the -
Subdivision. Ordinance, developers have to set aside so much
.land for park facilities:- (in .this case. 4 acres) or donate. money
in lieu of land..
Mr..._ Sa~tnons.on . ,related that Wheatstone : -.Ded~ opment' ..will.: - be:
dedicating 1:8. acres. along .Borgteld~.Road. as :a public park and :
will t-hen.create.a 2..~. acre park within the. subdivision itself
for use by residents only:. The'two parks wial. not connect:
Wheatstone. will. also take advantage of the:.drainage:ditch with.`'
jogging paths, etc. and you will .see walkways.at the end of
each cul-de-sac. They are also looking at some kind of
: conveyance from one side of the ditch. to the .other.: The Staff
feels this plan shows good utilization of the drainage: ditch
and as ,a result, :.the: ditch :will ,be enhanced.;:.
Mr. Simonson went on to say there is ample ingress/egress and
if -you look.. at the inset~on the Master P.lan,_ it shows a
greenbelt and landscaped area. This i the area where the City
will talk to the,deyelopers about their entrance sign and some
kind of buffer for .that .sorrier.... Th.e City .has agreed to put up:
some kind of s.ignage to slow down traffic.
-Keith Van Dine questioned if .the ditch has water. in it and kids
get in it and something happens, ,will, the City, be: xespons3.ble,. _
Will :there' be :a `fence around the ditch? Steve: Simonson replied
it is the City's drainage ditch, but there will be no fence.
Mr. Simonson stressed that education about these drainage
ditches is the best defense `to 'prevent accidents from
happening.
Steve Simonson then commented on the narrowness of Dietz Road
and informed the Commission they will be getting an additional
10' right-of-way along Dietz Road so Cibolo and the County can
do something with the road..
Keith Van Dine inquired if there is no differentiation between
private and public park land donations as far as the ordinance
requirements and-Steve Simonson replied there is not.
George Vick asked_f the subdivision will have a pool 'arid' Jim-
Box answered they will have a-pool and picnic facilities.
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Chairman Andrews then asked Jim Box if Dove Meadows will have a
mandatory homeowners association and was told they will.
. George.. Vick made a. motion' to agprove. the Master. Plan for::. the
Dove •Meadows S.ubdivision.. MerWin..Willman`seconded..the~~moton
and. the vote wag unanimous :in favor.. .Motion carried.
#7..:. CONSIDER.. ~AND`~MAI~E REC~OMMENDAT~~N:. Review. and Di.scussiori. ~ pf
~ ~ • ~ ~Master .Street 1~.lan~ Map: ~ ~
.Steve Simonson ...laid ou:t .a .~copy.'~~of .the Master Street Plan- map
for everyone' to .see.,:. saying he .was bringing. it to -the
Commission one more. time before it is mounted.
Mr. Simonson then pointed ou.t several revisions:
: Thechange: next :to :Maske. Road was taken out because., it, will..
never .happen.(Savannah Sguare:.will..probably.~come on out'
someday and.cgnnec.t with Schertz.Parkway., but.. coming-down from
:Maske Road `made no sense.)
(b) Have asked that Green Valley Road be straightened out.
(c) Hooking up Lookout Road with the.Tri=Courity Business Park
.has. been .scratched, because: of. the. type. of: traffic it. ::would:
generate through the business park.
Chairman Andrews noted .that a smaller copy of-the .map. needs to
be included in the Comprehensive Plan.. Steve .Simonson
indicated` that. .will be done and that they also :need to mount
the Master Map..
David. Richmond made a motion to ..approve the Master Street Plan
Map. Keith Van Dine seconded the motion and the vote was
unanimous in favor.` 'Motion carried.
#8 CONSIDER AND MAKE :RECOMMENDATION: Review and Discussion
of Side Yard Setbacks in Areas Zoned R-2
Chairman Andrews remarked he had `asked that this item be placed.
on the agenda because of the number of requests we have had for
variances to side-yard setbacks. Mr. Andrews wondered if the
City is too lenient in granting variances or if the Zoning
Ordinance is too strict and needs to be rewritten on this
particular subject.
Merwin Willman expressed the desire to know what variances were
given to Woodland Oaks and to Savannah.Square.
David Richmond explained that the City is losing aesthetics
...:when they allow. homes t.o be•built closer and closer to. the
street. and closer and eloser'to -each other. He, personally;
would- like to more. space between homes and homes with further
setbacks.
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Mr. Richmond then stated he does not agree with giving; a
blanket ...permission to the whole City on reduced setback
requirements.. Mr. Richmond feels~t~ese.requests for setback.
variances should be addressed on~an individual basis:
•Councilman Kerr .Greenwald. asked.how.~may variance requests: the
Comini lion has had in. the a,as.t 12 to 15 .months;
~St~eve Simonson. acknowledged they°coi:Ld .provide the •Commission~~
with ~~all the wariarice requests~~in•the last 24_months andwill
have the list for,~the next meeting°:
Mervin. Willman then asked i.f the City .should stal allow
carports in an R-2 area, Mr. Wi1l.man went on to say that when
AviationHeights was upgraded during Urban Renewal they
:dis.covexed .the ,Gars . were too. big for ~~th~ existing garages; ° so
carports,were.approved:.. ,
Davd:Richmond.observed if there's no need for it, then why not
eliminate the permitting of .carports in R-2 areas.
There was discussion on .this .with Steve Simonson pointing out
there area lot of carports out there now and if the permission
for carports is stopped, there will be a' lot of variance
requests.. , .From a Sta:f f . point. of :..view, ~cargarts are : na:.problem ,
and there have been no citizen complaints..
Chairman Andrews requested this item be on the ag+~nda of the.
next.. regularly scheduled ,meeting azid that the information. on
the number of variance request, in the last 24 months be
available to: the Commission,
#9 CONSIDER AND IdAKE RECOMMENDATION: Selection of New Plan-
Wing and. Zoning Commission Members
The`~~ommssion:nte.rviewed 5 applicants for two openings on the
Commission:
1. Tony 'Moreno - 508 Drayton
2. Judy Dietz - 1236 Live Oak Road
3. Larry Jarman - 217 Valley Oak Drive
4. Nelson Cavin -'4309 Shady Oak
5. Pia Jarman - 217 Valley Oak Drive
Following the interviews, the Commission made -its
recommendations.
David Richmond made a motion to recommend to City Council
approval of the appointment of Tony Moreno of 508 Drayton to
the Planning and Zoning Commission. Merwin Willman seconded
the motion and .the vote .was .unanimous in favor. Motion
carried:
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Keith Van Dine made a motion to recommend to City Council
approval of the appointment of Pia.. Jarman of 217 Valley Oak
Drive. to t,he. Planning and Zoning Commission. George Vick. -
- seconded. .the: motion and the .vote was uria.r~mous. in favor: -
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#10..-CONSIDER AND MARE RECOMMENDATION:-_ Election of Secretary:.
- - for Planning-.and. Zon.ing. ~omrrtission ~ . '
After .some dis.Cussion, -Mert~iin .Wil_lmart :indicated he~w.ould accept -
theposition of Secretary..., ~ .
.Keith- Van Dine.. made a motion to recommend to_ City ~COuncil
.approval of. Merwin'Willman:as the Secretary for. the Planning
.and Zoning-Commission. George .Vick seconded the motion and. the
-.vote was unanimous.. in, favor.. ~ Motion .carried..- ° -
~ 11- GENERAL.`. DISCUSSION .
~ David Richmond: - -
(a) Observed he hasn't seen a development sign u.p yet on the
HEB .property. Steve Simonson commented everything is still go
and .they have closed on the`purchaseof the -land.
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Councilman Ken. Greenwald related to-the Commission that his
. wife had visited the HEB:i.n Uniw.ersal.City and experienced ..a
,problem. tnlh.en .she went back to the store, they gave -her a
complaint form to fill gout _(he did it. for her) a,nd so they .
mentioned it -would be nice to.see a store-in .Schertz. Mr.
Greenwald: .said , his`. wife..did receive .a reply-from- HEB saying
..they°were.planning to build a store in Schertz.
Keith Van.Dine:
' ` (a) ' Stated he ~.s` glad- to see the ~ -holes. being patched- in the -
Schirmerville area: .
(b) Noted; in regard to the walkways in Dove Meadows, there's a
`little touch of property .between the cul-de=sac and the
property line. Who owns it? Steve Simonson replied their
property will go- up to our right=of-way and the homeowners
association is responsible for maintaining the walkways.
(c} Related Councilman Joe Potempa is very interested in the
street lights. that were. removed by .CPS in the Schirmerville
area. CPS is claiming they received a letter from the City of
Schertz asking them to remove the lights, but they can't find
the letter. -
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Merwin Willman:
. (a),Asked:the.status of. the Live Oak, Hills Blvd.` street name. .
. .c.hange.~ ' ~SteyeSimonson. said. he is still trying to get all the . .
parties to.:agree:
`{b) ,Questioned ~if the. City_ is keeping: apprised of the
contra,.ctor' s. . progress for .the. sidewalks ~ on ~ Pecan ~°behind the . ~ .
. ~~ardeaie . Sibdiv~ision~: 5teve~ Simon~~n -r~piied.~`yes they. -are and: . .
they already no. what, it'. ..going to::cos~t the City:
GeorcTe Vick:` .
(a) Asked Steve Simonson if he~.had seen the'QuaTity Closeout
blimp and Mr. Simonson indicat~d:he had~seen i.t..
(b). 'Regortedthat at the Icorrier_ . of. Randolph rand:.Av.iation: there`
is ; : an olti~ yellgw ear; with some sort of".canvas on the front;
whieh; has been Sitting there .f.or a labile. The corner is now
.sta_rtin to look a little `unk Steve Simonsori said he 'would
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check into it.
{c) Advised, that' for those of the ;members who know 'Micki
Chr.istyy her husband passed away over the weekend.
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Councilman Ken Greenwald:
(a):Reminded ever~rone that June`i9th.'at 10:0.0 A.M. is the.
grand opening of. the-new Aniinal_Control facility.
{b) Stated they: are~seekng mem3~ers for. the. Tax Increment'
~`inaricing Board:
(c) Commented. the first meeting of the Christmas Lighting
Committee `is `June 17th at 4100 P:M. and volunteers for the
-committee are rieed~d.• . ° - .
Steve: Simonson:
(a) Informed the Commission that as of June,lst, 109 new home
permits had been issued for homes under construction and 80
Certificates.. of. Occupancy for new homes had been issued.
Chairman Andrews:
(a) Notified .the Commission the Comprehensive Plan is on the
.City Council .Workshop agenda tomorrow evening and he will be
there.
Councilman Ken Greenwald remarked that construction has started
on. FM 30D9..
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#I2 ADJOURNMENT
Chairman Andrews adjourned the meeting, .at 9:55 P.M.
The :next regularly scheduled meeting `is June 2~2,.. 1993.
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