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05-10-1994 PLANNING AND ZONING MINUTES The Schertz Planning and Zoning Commission conducted a public hearing on Tuesday, May 10, 1994 at 7:00 p.m. in the Municipal Complex Conference Room, 1400 Schertz Parkway, Schertz, Texas. Those present were as follows: PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION OTHERS PRESENT BOB ANDREWS, CHAIRMAN CORALEE FENNER GEORGE VICK, VICE-CHAIRMAN CHARLES MACDONALD MERWIN WILLMAN, SECRETARY LEROY FENNER KEITH VAN DINE ALAN LINDSKOG DAVID RICHMOND RAYMOND KENNETT TONY MORENO BOB POND PIA JARMAN BETSY POND COUNCILMAN KEN GREENWALD CITY STAFF STEVE SIMONSON, ASST. CITY MGR. NORMA ALTHOUSE, RECORDING SECY. #1 CALL TO ORDER Chairman Andrews called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M. #2 PUBLIC HEARING: To Receive Citizen Input on the Proposal to Rename that Portion of FM 78, Within the Schertz City Limits, to John E. Peterson Parkway (PC #207-94) Chairman Andrews explained the procedures to be followed at the public hearing and then asked for Staff input.. Steve Simonson reported that 99 letters had been sent. Two were returned as undeliverable, 10 returned as opposed and 5 returned in favor. In addition, Mr. Simonson commented he had received several calls opposed to the renaming. These people felt something should be done to honor John Peterson (renaming the library or community center in his honor) but felt renaming a road is the wrong thing to do. One caller felt boulevard rather than parkway would be more appropriate since FM 78 is not designed as a parkway. These were. seventeen citiz:ens~ attending the meeting. to represent this request and several of them chose to speak. -John Spence of 802 Main St., stating normally these kinds of honors are reserved for dignitaries, emphasized it's about time to give consideration and appreciation to one of our citizens who was hard-working and dedicated and also time the townspeople expressed their feelings about the fact they appreciate the employees of Schertz, Texas. Mr. Spence felt the renaming was an excellent idea. Debra Clutes, a part-time employee of Video Minor Maintenance, read a letter to the Commission expounding on how John Peterson represented the "common citizenry." The local citizens are who put and keep the Schertz businesses on the map and it would be fitting that one of Schertz's own be honored this way. This kind of recognition would show every citizen of Schertz that anyone of its members can be valued by the businesses for their efforts. The letter asked for the City's support on this name change saying it exhibits the consummate demonstration on the part of the businesses for their appreciation of John Peterson's efforts on behalf of them and the City. Ms. Clutes further read that the measure of a man is not the size of his bank account, but how unselfishly he seeks to serve his fellow man and his community, and in doing so making everyone's life a little better. John Peterson was such a man. Coralee Fenner, a citizen of the City of Schertz and a City employee, passed around copies of a letter from James L. ;bu Lindsey of the San Antonio district of the U.S. Post Office explaining that the renaming will not affect mail delivery to those persons currently receiving mail at an FM 78 address. The process involves the input of an "alias" or alternate" street name and mail delivery will not be impacted because mail addressed to either FM 78 or John E. Peterson Parkway will be delivered. Mrs. Fenner indicated she has had several questions regarding this matter. Mrs Fenner reported that when the petition was circulated it was felt this needed to have a common name all the way from Loop 410 (Connally Loop), underneath Loop 1604 (Anderson Loop), all the way out - from one city to another. Portions of this are already in San Antonio on the other side of-Kirby and on Foster Road. Mrs. Fenner went on to say if we can get this renamed out here, she will personally go before the San Antonio City Council Mrs. Fenner informed the Commission the petition requesting the renaming was signed by 444 citizens of the City of Schertz. and by a total of 1437 persons living in the Metrocom area. She is retaining the original petition and will give it to the Peterson family. - Raymond Kennett of Cibolo Creek Pharmacy,. remarking he had - operated the pharmacy now for five gears, said there is still = confusion -resulting from the renaming.of Live Oak Road to Schertz Parkway and he is against the renaming of FM 78. Mr. Kennett felt a major highway should note be chunked into different names.. -2- Mr. Kennett suggested donating books to the library in John Peterson's memory or naming a street in a new subdivision in his honor. Mr. Kennett also suggested that perhaps, because of all the years of service Mayor Sawyer has given the City, a street in a new subdivision should be named after him. One other point brought up by Raymond Kennett was the cost of signs. He wondered if anyone had checked into it to see what kind of expense that would entail. #3 ADJOURNMENT OF PUBLIC HEARING There being no further citizen input, Chairman Andrews closed the public hearing at 7:13 p.m. The Schertz Planning and Zoning Commission convened in a regular session, following the public hearing, in the Municipal Complex conference room, 1400 Schertz Parkway, Schertz, Texas. #4 CALL TO ORDER Chairman Andrews called the meeting to order at 7:14 p.m. #5 APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Regular Session April 26, 1994 Pia Jarman noted that on Page 1, in the last line of the first paragraph under Item #3, the word effect should be affect. Also, on page 6, fifth line up from the bottom, the word reguiried should be required. Merwin Willman made a motion to approve the minutes, as corrected, for the regular session April 26, 1994. Tony Moreno seconded the motion and the vote was as follows: AYES: B. Andrews, G. Vick, M. Willman, K. Van Dine, T. Moreno, P. Jarman. NAYS: None _ ABSTENTIONS: D. Richmond Motion carried. #6 CITIZENS' INPUT OTHER THAN AGENDA ITEMS There was none. #7 CONSIDER AND MARE RECOMMENDATION: Proposal to Rename That .Portion of FM 78, Within the Schertz City Limits, to John E. Peterson Parkway- George Vick commented that in Steve Simonson's notes he - mentioned he hadn't heard what any of the other cities in the Metrocom area are doing. Mr. Simonson acknowledged that .was before he talked to Coralee Fenner who told him the other cities are waiting to hear what Schertz does. _3_ Pia Jarman mentioned the objection to the word :parkway and asked if there were any other objections. Steve Simonson answered the Riedel family. felt.. there should have been something done in honor of Odo Riedel when he passed away. Councilman Greenwald brought up the fact that regardless of what Schertz does, any other city can rename their section anything they want. Mr. .Greenwald also pointed out the state maps will still have the road designated as FM 78. Pia Jarman pointed out it's not really changing the name, it's simply using an alternative. Merwin Willman remarked he has heard the citizens say John Peterson was dedicated and hard-working, but they haven't listed any specific accomplishments. Is dedicated and hard-working enough to warrant a street named after him? Two Council members have died while in office and nothing was done for them. Mr. Willman suggested the possibility of naming the Water/Wastewater building in John Peterson's honor. David Richmond declared the concern about the cost of the signs was a valid point. In response, Steve Simonson informed the Commission the street signs are $35.00 apiece and the most ` required would be four. Mr. Simonson added that we were only charged for one sign in the recent renaming of Jack Hays Blvd. to Roy Richard Dr. Keith Van Dine, mentioning the problem with the word parkway, asked how those supporting the name change feel about boulevard instead. The supporters were agreeable to boulevard. Mr. Van Dine, referring to Merwin Willman's remarks, said perhaps those Council members who died in office should have had some recognition, but someone could have come forward and asked for something to be done in their honor and obviously did not. Pia Jarman intimated that the citizens feel somehow they are being honored because an "ordinary" person is being honored. Perhaps it is time we recognized an "ordinary" citizen not just the leader doing his thing. Mrs. Jarman felt that concept is a small reflection of the nation's feelings and especially_ poignant because FM 78 is where John Peterson died. Merwin Willman mentioned Graham Ball Park and Thulemeyer Park which are named. after ordinary citizens. Pia Jarman, saying - she does not remember those people, observed there are new people in town and we should respond to them.: - Keith Van Dine emphasized it's not an issue as far as addresses and maps go, and citizens have come forward and proposed this renaming in John Peterson's memory. -4- Keith Van Dine made a motion to recommend to City Council approval of the renaming of FM 78, within the Schertz City _ limits, to John E. Peterson Blvd. Pia Jarman seconded the motion and the vote was as follows: AYES: B. Andrews, G. Vick, K. Van Dine, D. Richmond, P. Jarman NAYS: M. Willman and T. Moreno ABSTENTIONS: None Motion carried. #8 CONSIDER AND TARE APPROPRIATE ACTION: Request from U.S. Homes for Final Plat Approval of the Vacate and Replat of a Portion of Northcliffe Estates Model Home Park and the Subdivision Plat of The Fairways at Scenic Hills, Unit 1 (PC #205-94 A/B) Alan Lindskog was at the meeting to represent this request. Chairman Andrews asked for Staff input and Steve Simonson reminded the Commission they have his comments and also a copy of a letter from George d'Hemecourt of U.S. Homes outlining the disposition of the property in question behind Lots 7 and 8 on sheet 1. Sheet 2 has the statement requested concerning the responsibility of maintenance for all common areas and safety lanes. Ed Ford recommends approval of the plat, but Mr. Simonson went on to say he still thinks the Commission needs to take a look at the lot numbers for sheet 1 because this area is being platted separate from the existing Northcliffe Estates Model Home Park and yet they are using the existing block numbers and continuing lot numbers from the Estates Subdivision into the Fairways Subdivision. Mr. Simonson fears this could cause some problems. George Vick asked if St. Andrews is an existing street now and was told by Steve Simonson it is. Mr. Vick then asked if Pelican Hill will join up with St. Andrews and Alan Lindskog replied there will be a wall between them. .Alan Lindskog explained that in the beginning U.S. Homes owned all the lots., but they have had to leave the: existing Model Home Park Estates as is because they couldn't get the approval of one of the property owners. There will be a barrier along the cul-de-sac between St. Andrews-and Pelica~i Hill. George Vick questioned what's going to be doA_e with the land _ between Lots 3 and 4. Alan Lindskog replied it is not large enough to build a house on so it will be conveyed to the owner of Lot 6. Mr. Lindskog also affirmed the land between Lots 7 and 8 will be. conveyed to the owner of Lot 6 for the same reason. A letter stating this has been provided to the City. -5- Alan Lindskog reasoned the purpose for continuing block and lot numbers is because it is a contiguous block and somewhere down _ the road you will end up with. two lot 1's in the same block. Chairman Andrews advised Alan Lindskog since there is going to be a wall and The Fairways is going to be a private road and St. Andrews is still going to remain a public road, they need to start with new blocks and lots in the new subdivision. There was then some discussion about City limits and about disannexation. Merwin Willman asked whether or not all of this development is in Comal county. Alan Lindskog responded all but a water easement which crosses the county line into Guadalupe County. David Richmond made a motion to approve the request from U.S. Homes for final plat approval of the Vacate and Replat of a portion of Northcliffe Estates Model Home park and the subdivision plat of The Fairways at Scenic Hills Unit 1 contingent on the developer using new block and lot numbers in the new subdivision. Tony Moreno seconded the motion and the vote was unanimous in favor. Motion carried. #9 CONSIDER AND TARE APPROPRIATE ACTION: Discussion of Letter to the Commission from Betsy Pond Regarding Development in Greenshire Chairman Andrews retraced the steps leading to this discussion. Betsy Pond had written a letter to the Commission regarding the feelings of the current Greenshire Oaks residents about new development in Greenshire and had distributed copies to the Commission at the last meeting (copy enclosed). Mrs. Pond had wanted to read the letter at the last meeting, but Mr. Andrews asked her to come back to tonight's meeting because the Commission wanted time first to read over the letter. Following the last meeting, a letter of response to Betsy Pond was drafted by Merwin Willman on behalf of the Commission (copy enclosed). Chairman Andrews asked the Commission if they want to write a letter of response and if they do, does anything need to be added or removed from the Commission's draft. George Vick remarked he thought Mr. Willman pretty well covered all the valid points brought up by Mrs. Pond. Mr.• Willman stated he wanted Mrs. Pond to see what types of controls the City has in place. Pia_ Ja~man=observed it's good stating all the controls, but we should ;also incorporate the citizens' ideas - they're. very _cogent. Mrs. Jarman stated-ever since she has been on the Commission and attended workshops,~the emphasis has been on changing the current growth patterns that have degraded communities, in other words, going toward creative practical land use and preserving open space and community character. We should be grateful that someone cares about green areas. -6- Mrs. Jarman, saying she knows new developers have to set aside a prescribed amount of parkland, wanted to know if we count all the old areas of Schertz, are there enough green areas. Merwin Willman answered no, and we can't go back and correct, but we can review the Master Plan for the City, designate certain areas where parks are needed, and suggest the City buy land for more parks. David Richmond commented that regrettably he was not here for the last meeting because he still has grave reservations about the Commission's vote in favor of the developer doing what he's doing in Greenshire. Unit #3 portends inattention for current development in Greenshire Oaks and the further away they get from that current development, the more "cracker box" approach they take. Mr. Richmond was hoping we wouldn't see that. Mr. Richmond further stated they had said they were going to build off FM 3009 first because that was the choice place to show off the area. The plats show him they had no intention of doing that and by the size of the lots in Unit 3, they propose to put model homes in and sell from there. Mr. Richmond stressed the Commission might suggest to the new developer he continue the islands in the streets. That was a L significant accomplishment on the part of Planning and Zoning. Mr. Richmond also reported that a survey crew cut down a 300 year old oak tree on Woodland Oaks Drive rather than just cut off a limb that was in the way. Getting back to the letter, Mr. Richmond felt that merely suggesting they read our ordinances is falling short. If we invite them to attend meetings and are willing to listen, then it is the obligation of the Planning and Zoning Commission to follow through and not be sweet talked by developers. Merwin Willman, defending the letter, said he felt that was the only way to let her know what controls we have in the areas she asked about. Mr. Willman pointed out the citizens have to do some legwork also. David Richmond, saying he understands all that, felt the Commission should take developers to task. They should exercise some hard knocks to them over things like the environment, traffic and noise. We have to put some teeth into our ordinances. Mervin Willman reminded David Richmond the plats the Commission _ saw for Units 2 and.3 of Greenshire conformed to the Master Plan that was. approved for that subdivision. Referring to island in the streets, Mr. Willman mentioned they. need to keep those kinds- of things exclusive and not give them blanket aPProval. -7- Pia Jarman admitted the .letter sounds very defensive to her and feels a word of thanks should have been added for the citizens' interest and concern. Mrs. Jarman related that at all the workshops. she has attended,- they stress being open and r receptive to the ideas of the citizenry. If we are not going to do that, then the City is wasting it's money sending us to these seminars. Mrs. Jarman finished up by saying an interest is an interest, even though it may not be the exact interest we want, and if we don't respond to it, we build walls. Chairman Andrews asked Pia Jarman if she would like to take the drafted letter and expound on it. She agreed to do that if it were not offensive to Mr. Willman. Mr. Willman was not offended. #10 GENERAL DISCUSSION David Richmond: Declared he enjoyed his vacation, but was sorry he missed the meeting where they approved the preliminary plats for Greenshire, Units 2 and 3. It was a good job on Unit #2 and Unit #3 through the first 35 lots. Beyond lot 35, there needs SL to be more discussion. Mr. Richmond reiterated what he had said earlier about continuing islands in the streets through Greenshire. Chairman Andrews mentioned they have encountered some problems in the past with developers, so they need extra eyes and ears to help notice if something wrong seems to be happening. Mr. Andrews then told Steve Simonson he would like to know who cut down the 300 year old tree. Keith Van Dine• Asked Steve Simonson when the roads in Schirmerville are going to be repaired. Mr. Simonson replied probably-this summer - plans are in progress. The City still needs some right-of-way in the area. Mr. Van Dine then remarked on the gravel pit and pointed out those trucks haul a lot of weight which is not good for the roads. Mr. Simonson, acknowledging it's an ongoing problem, requested Mr. Van Dine let him know when the hauling starts up again. Pia Jarman:. (a) Wondered since we revoked the original Master Plan for Greenshire and it was zoned a PUD, do we have to start again - - - with the zoning process. Steve Simonson advised the. zoning is - ~ still the same.. The developer has 'been informed he will -need to request rezoning for the area .adjacent to FM 3009, if he is going to build homes there, because it is now zoned for. commercial use. -8- Mrs. Jarman surmised then, that's why they started building where they did rather than adjacent to FM 3009. Steve Simonson said that's correct, they wanted to get started right and show -the residents they could do the right thing. (b) Mrs. Jarman then asked if in the back of Unit #3 of Greenshire where there are 60' x 120' lots, will people buy a large home knowing a small home will be built behind them. Steve Simonson explained it has happened in two subdivisions already. It depends on the developer. If the developer doesn't do what he promised (build a quality home), then we don't approve anymore of his homes. Chairman Andrews indicated it depends on the type home the developer builds. The Gardens is a good example of upscale homes backing up to smaller homes. Steve Simonson told the Commission he had spoken with Sam Bledsoe regarding streets around trees and David Richmond asked if we're beyond that in Unit 3. To this, Chairman Andrews answered we haven't approved the final plat yet for Unit 3. Chairman Andrews compared their experiences regarding trees and roads in Woodland Oaks versus Savannah Square and said they had learned some valuable lessons. Mrs. Pond wanted to know if . ~4 the City can fine developers who take down trees. Chairman Andrews answered he doesn't believe there's anything in the ordinance right now allowing them to do that. Steve Simonson remarked on the overlay ordinance restrictions where any tree under a certain size can't be taken out and if any tree over that certain size needs to come out, the developer has to prove that to the City. Chairman Andrews stressed, however, the City needs help from citizens to know when things like cutting down a big tree are going on. (c) Asked if we have the publication "Planning Made Easy" or a library where we could get it. Steve Simonson replied we have a library we can order it from. _ Merwin Willman• Referred to the derrick up in Tri-County (seems to be in the area where the motel is supposed to go) and asked if anyone knows what they're drilling for. Steve Simonson answered he, .doesn't know, but from the location he would suspect it's probably a soil core drill. George Vick• (a) Mentioned the new ordinance on priva-te streets and brought up the approval of Greenshire Es ate8.- Mr. Vick then referred . to paragraph C. from the ordi°nance where it says a private street or road serving only resident is exempt from construction and maintenance standards for public streets and pointed out Greenshire Estates-will eventually have more than _g_ one 'resident. Steve Simonson declared Greenshire Estates has only-one street and it's considered a private dri"ve. Mr. Vick wanted to know, if you keeping adding on behind, for example giving lots to your children to build on, is it still a driveway. Steve Simonson replied that's something they would have to look at on an individual basis. (b) Commented he read in the Newsletter where City Hall has gone smoke free. Steve Simonson explained that the article in the Newsletter should never have been published. The employees who smoke got together and volunteered to go smoke free. The City decided, knowing how the conference room is used, to allow smoking in the conference room, the front of the lobby and the lounge. This is not something that was mandated, but strictly a voluntary action on the part of the smokers. Councilman Ken Greenwald: (a) Thanked those who voted. (b) Reported he and John Bierschwale had attended a Canyon Regional Water Authority meeting. They have approved a tracer study and will be pulling water out of Lake Dunlap by the first week of June. A tracer study takes approximately two weeks and involves pumping water through the clarifiers and filters, etc. and getting the chemical balance right. Between June 15th and 30th .they will be ready to start pumping. The cost is 55 cents per thousand at Lake McQueeney. How much more it will cost to get it to Schertz is unknown. It will not be cheap. The Bexar Metro System is in the process of buying 2,000 acre feet of water from Lake Dunlap to feed the Lackland Water System. If that comes to pass you could see.a system which, instead of running all new lines, would pump -water through Marion lines to Cibolo lines to Schertz lines. Legally that can't be done right now. Edwards water is going to become expensive and we still don't know what date they've picked for the water usage date. Steve Simonson• (a) Reported that he received, from the National Highway _ System, a 1997 building date for the FM 78 widening. _ _ (bj Related the Metropolitan Planning Organization today, just - for planning purposes, had to cut 2~ million dollars out of its _ budget. (c) Asked if anyone else is going. to the APA luncheon this -Friday. -10- #11 ADJOURNMENT _ Chairman Andrews adjourned the meeting at 8:35 p.m. The next regularly scheduled meeting is May 24, 1994. -11-