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ccswks 11-26-1986 (/ ~89 r- SPECIAL MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL NOVEMBER 26, 1986 The Schertz City Council convened in Special Workshop Session, Wednesday, November 26, 1986, at 7:00 p.m. in the Conference Room of the Municipal Complex, 1400 Live Oak Road, Schertz, Texas. The following members were present: Mayor Earl W. Sawyer, presiding; Charles B. Sharpe; Hal Baldwin; Ray Stanhope and Ken Greenwald. Absent: Adolph Aguilar. Staff present were City Manager Jimmy G. Gilmore and City Secretary June G. Krause. #l BEARING OF RESIDENTS: None r-- #2 Discussion of needed space for Neighborhood Services with the Housing Authority representatives. Mayor Sawyer said he had asked the Housing Authority Board and Mr. Freeman to this meeting to listen to Mrs. Barnes and Mrs. Hyatt regarding needed space. Mrs. Hyatt said they were asking that the Council and Housing Authority Board might work together to see that Mrs. Barnes has a little more room to work. She said there seems to be some space available if they were allowed to use it on Wednesday mornings when it is not being utilized and then move her things back out. Mrs. Hyatt said ideally it would be best to have separate space for her to work all the time. Mayor Sawyer said the Council intends to try and get a storage building but other parts of the city functions need storage also. He said they may be able to rent storage in other parts of town for Mrs. Barnes as well as other departments. Mr. Sawyer said the other problem is that in the Housing Authority building, Mrs. Barnes does not have enough space. Mrs. Barnes said she has very little room now. Mr. Cyr, Chairman of the Housing Authority Board, said the agencies that use the room have been there - he didn't know how long. There are five agencies that have been allocated space. All of them were given a letter asking them to come in and sign up for space. Of the five, Mrs. Barnes was the only one that did not reply. He said their argument is that each one has X number of feet in the building for their operation and they don't want other organizations coming in and hanging clothes around, etc. in their space. Mrs. Hyatt asked if they could not pull the accordion curtain that is there and moved some tables around, Mrs. Barnes could use part of their space when they are not there. Mr. Freeman said the area Mrs. Hyatt was talking about is ~ allocated to two different organizations and they will not move in any furniture if it is violated. The Housing Authority has agreed to this office space and has guaranteed their security. , , ~ 290 \ 1 I There followed a discussion between the Council members and Mrs. Hyatt and Mr. Freeman about the allocations and use of the buildings. One member of the Housing Authority Board said he had 20 years on the board and have not seen any agency come to the Board with a problem. Now they come to this meeting and the Board is suppose to make a decision when nothing has gone to the Board. Mayor Sawyer said we just wanted to get everyone together to see if we could come up with an equitable solution. We would like to have enough space for everyone that needs it. Mrs. Barnes has been a volunteer that does good job for the city. We just wanted the Board to know that the City is concerned about space allocations that are equitable. Mrs. Barnes said she did get the letter Mr. Freeman referred to and personally took it to the office. Mr. Cyr said the program is valid but it is redundant because RECAP is already doing the same thing. He said if Mrs. Barnes is dissatisfied, RECAP is willing to take over this operation. Martha Wright of RECAP said they had asked Mrs. Barnes if she would work with RECAP - five days a week from 2 to 4, which in her estimation would have more control. She said she has watched r 11, every wednesday and the same people come every week and take out bags of clothes. She said RECAP keeps records on all the people and their income, etc. Mr. Stanhope said he felt if the City could get the building that is for sale on Randolph Avenue, it would solve a lot of problems. Mr. Sharpe said the reason RECAP was formed is that there are a lot of needy people in the area but a lot of them aren't and just try to get something everywhere they can for resale. With the control RECAP has, you might be able to serve more people. Mrs. Barnes said it would take several people to keep records on the donated items she has. Mr. Freeman suggested that this be investigated further and put it on the next agenda. Mayor Sawyer said he would like to give the Housing Authority an opportunity to take a good hard look at the space. n I \ L...J Mrs. Barnes said she would not stand in the way if RECAP wants to run this five days a week. Again, Mayor Sawyer said to give the Housing Authority Board time 0 to look at this and come back after Christmas with their recommendations. ~ ~ ( r- - I r ~ 291 There followed a discussion between the Council members and Mrs. Hyatt and Mr. Freeman about the allocations and use of the buildings. One member of the Housing Authority Board said he had 20 years on the board and have not seen any agency come to the Board with a problem. Now they come to this meeting and the Board is suppose to make a decision when nothing has gone to the Board. Mayor Sawyer said we just wanted to get everyone together to see if we could come up with an equitable solution. We would like to have enough space for everyone that needs it. Mrs. Barnes has !been a volunteer that does good job for the city. We just wanted .the Board to know that the City is concerned about space allocations that are equitable. iMrs. Barnes said she did get the letter Mr. Freeman referred to land personally took it to the office. IMr. Cyr said the program is valid but it is redundant because ~ECAP is already doing the same thing. He said if Mrs. Barnes is Idissatisfied, RECAP is willing to take over this operation. IMartha Wr ight of RECAP said they had asked Mrs. Barnes if she ~OUld work with RECAP - five days a week from 2 to 4, which in er estimation would have more control. She said she has watched very Wednesday and the same people come every week and take out ~ags of clothes. She said RECAP keeps records on all the people ~nd their income, etc. kr. Stanhope said he felt if the City could get the building that is for sale on Randolph Avenue, it would solve a lot of problems. ~r. Sharpe said the reason RECAP was formed is that there are a lot of needy people in the area but a lot of them aren't and just ~ry to get something everywhere they can for resale. With the ~ontrol RECAP has, you might be able to serve more people. i ~rs. Barnes said it would take several people to keep records on ~he donated items she has. ~r. Freeman suggested that this be investigated further and put tt on the next agenda. ~ayor Sawyer said he would like to give the Housing Authority an 4pportunity to take a good hard look at the space. ~rs. Barnes said she would not stand in the way if RECAP wants to ~un this five days a week. I ~gain, Mayor Sawyer said to give the Housing Authority Board time ~o look at this and come back after Christmas with their ~ecommendations. 292 One other item the Board Chairman wanted to bring up is that the Housing Authority Board members are not covered by liability insurance. Mayor Sawyer said he had discussed with Mr. Gilmore who would check about putting their board under the City's program with them reimbursing the City. The City can ill afford to have volunteers being sued. o The Housing Authority Board would also like to recommend another board member as Paula Thies has written declining the appointment. Mr. Cyr has recommended Ann Vick. Mayor Sawyer then thanked the Board members for coming for this discussion. He also thanked Mrs. Barnes and Mrs. Hyatt for their concern, saying the Council is going to try to work something out. The Mayor then called for a recess at 7:32 p.m. The Special Meeting was reconvened at 7:37 p.m. 13 Discussion of Specific Use Permit request No. 86-1. Mayor Sawyer said the Planning & Zoning has recommended the Permit be denied for the following reasons: l. A Specific Use Permit when issued is for one specific use and with a time limit. So far, we have been informed of at least three uses for this acreage. 2. Plans presented to the Commission indicat'e the development is a major development which will require detailed 0 plans for streets, lighting, sidewalks, curb and gutters, I drainage, water and sewer lines, entrance and exists, all the planning for the construction for a subdivision. 3. Plans presented for the 43.128 acres does not conform with the City's Comprehensive Plan for this area. The P&Z vote was 4 ayes, I nay and I abstention. Mayor Sawyer then asked Council if they were going to be ready to vote on this item at the next meeting and Council indicated they would. Mayor Sawyer told the Oak Forest residents present that Council does not take any formal' action at workshops, merely discuss each item to be voted on at the next meeting. #4 Discussion of an ordinance regulating coin-operated machines. Mayor Sawyer said this is a proposed ordinance Mr. Gilmore brought up to bring in a little extra revenue and to regulate this type machines. Mr. Stanhope telephones. everything the the wish. asked about Mr. Gilmore State allows. the qu~stion he asked on public said 1n the ordinance it lists Council can add or delete items if o '_ .~~~'<J;',:,E~~,;~.. 293 r-- Mayor Sawyer said that Mr. Stanhope had brought up about citizens being able to purchase coin telephone machines and placing them in malls and reap the benefits. Mr. Gilmore said because of Bell's leasing the lines, we still get the franchise portion. Mr. Baldwin said that he feels that if we get the franchise, we should charge the man a fee too. Council concensus was to put the telephone coin-operated machines in the ordinance as requiring a permit. #5 Discussion of an ordinance regulating signs. Mr. Gilmore said there is a memo in Council packets explaining some of the questions that have been brought up regarding the sign ordinance. Article II, 8 addresses types of flashing or blinking lights and we do not allow them. 9 is very confusing the way it is worded - we need to clarify it. Also Section 4 under Article V has put a bind on the staff to place Crime watch signs. We would place them on our own post but not on personal property. - the intent is different from what it says. Mr. Gilmore said that Section 5 Free-Standing Signs creates problems in trying to follow the restrictions. There followed a lengthy discussion about this particular section with most of the __ Council saying they saw nothing wrong with the way it was written. Mayor Sawyer suggested bringing this back to another workshop for more discussion before going to ordinance amendment. #6 Discussion of renewing BVYA Contract. Mayor Sawyer suggested asking Cris Frias, President of BVYA, to come to a meeting to discuss this contract with Council. The City has had problems with the contact person. Mr. Gilmore said he would like to put in the contract who the contacts will be and to whom the contact should be made. We need one place of contact and one or two people designated from BVYA. We need to discuss if the concession is making a profit, should they be paying the electricity. We should look at costs but the big problem is contact. Mr. Greenwald agreed, saying the names or positions of contact should be in the contract. -- Mr. Gilmore said if they can be self-supporting, then the contract should be like SAFES, etc. We should look at the cost and see if it is time to put them on a paying basis. ~ 294 \ Mr. Baldwin said he looks at BVYA as being part of the City because if they weren't doing this, then the City would have to pay to have it done. Mayor Sawyer said that we have a contract that says 90 percent of the kids have to be from Sch~rtz. During the baseball season, they make a profit but during the other programs, the baseball profits pays for those. Mr. Stanhope said he thinks they do an outstanding jOb but some of the things they do need to be looked at. o Mayor Sawyer said that as soon as Mr. Gilmore gets more factual information, let us look at it again. #7 CITY MANAGER'S REPORT: A. We are looking at various catalogues for new chairs for the Council Chambers. Will have some comparisons for you later. B. The portable type signs Council wanted to advertise the election will cost $68 per month each. We need to know how many and where they should be place. After Council discussion it was concensus to display them from the lOth of December through January lOth and place one in front of the CODDllunity Center. one at the corner of Main Street coming [~11i, up from the Cibolo Creek and the other could be moved around, starting at the Library. Mayor Sawyer suggested at least the week before the election Council should contact some of the business people on FM 78 to see if they would put something on their present signs. Also Council should approach different organizations and ask to speak to them. The City employees should be asked to get involved and we should put a message about the election on each water bill. C. Mike DeLeon received a letter from the Bexar County Commissioners. They are still active in trying to get something for Rittimann Addition. D. Received a letter from the Southern Pacific Railroad concerning mowing of right of way. We have sent for necessary documents to see if we can mow the right of way and have them pay us. E. Have a letter and resolution in regards to Mobile Home Park. There are several items that they in in non-compliance with. Would like to have the resolution passed stating that they are in non-compliance and this will be filed with the plat at the County 01 Court House. There were two pages of violations. t .1" (/ .--- r-- ~ 295 Mr. Gilmore said that Richard Harris and the TML attorney would be at the Tuesday night meeting to discuss this with Council. F. We received a letter from Kirby asking that we establish an agreement with them on our sewer machine on emergency basis. They agreed to pay $90 for the first hour as we do with Marion. G. Mrs. Krause had a conversation with Mayor Little this week and he asked if the contract for us to do their water/sewer repairs was still in effect. We sent them a proposal in 1983 but inever received a signed copy back. Council concensus was to not enter a contract with Cibolo. H. Last Saturday night one of our officers wrecked a police car answering a back-up call from Cibolo. Backup calls are suppose to be officer in trouble but this one was not an emergency. In three months, we have had 26 officer back-up calls and they are not really emergency back-up calls. The other night their officer had a warrant from Bexar County to serve and called for backup - he later brought the man in by himself. When the accident happened, the streets were wet and our officer said he was going about the speed limit. The accident is being worked by the Highway Patrol so we will get an unbiased report. We had the Chief to define back up and sent a letter to Cibolo over the Mayor's signature. #8 ITEMS BY COUNCIL: Mr. Greenwald: At the P&Z meeting the previous night, the church people brought in master plans and that was one of the things that helped turn it down. They had very elaborate plans. In the future P&Z is going to be sure anyone asking for a public hear ing has their plans before that time. One of the things discussed was if the Industrial Development Committee or the Chamber of Commerce might work with these people to find a location in this area. Mr. Baldwin asked if the City needs to get back with Cibolo to iron out our differences or not. Perhaps we need to reactivate the Coordinating Committee. Mr. Sharpe said Mayor Little had approached him so he brought it to Council. Mayor Sawyer suggested that he contact one of their Councilmembers. Mr. Baldwin announced that the Buffalo Football team would be having their regional playoffs on Friday and tickets are available. Mr. Stanhope said he thought that Mrs. Barnes definitely has a problem but he was not sure the City should continue with her program. Mr. Gilmore said he felt that the Housing Authority and RECAP want to get rid of her. Mayor Sawyer suggested giving the Housing Authorlty Board time to see what they can come up with. Mr. Stanhope said he thought FM 78 looks really good. 296 Mr. Sharpe said that concerning the discussion Council had about the drainage in Savannah Square, he thought the engineer was very cavalier and did not know what was going on up there. He requested we keep the tape of that meeting. Mr. Sharpe said he was contacted again about the little bit of rain we received and flooding. The theory of no more water than was there previously is not working. Add that as a bell ringer. Mr. Stanhope said he had talked with Mr. Hall, who had the sewer backup problem in Lone Oak. He said we had agreed to put in a manhole but it has not been done as yet. Mr. Gilmore said he thought it had been done but he would check on it. #9 ITEMS BY MAYOR: Mr. Sawyer said he rode with one of our -officers Saturday night and he thinks the City is in good hands. Also Mr. Sawyer said he had dinner with the Guadalupe County REACT group. They have become more of a social group now but they do a tremendous amount of good for the ROTC. Mayor Sawyer announced the Annual Christmas Tree lighting for December 4th at 6:00 p.m. o At ll:OO a.m. on December 4th, there will be a ground breaking at the VFW. He invited everyone down to the ceremonies. with Council concurrence, I have a letter to Rogers Cable Systems 0 agreeing to permit them to change the company name. Council concensus was to allow the change. Mayor Sawyer read a letter proposed to be sent to GVWSC making a formal offer to purchase their system. The letter will not be sent until after taking depositions next week. Mayor Sawyer asked Council for their input for names of somebody we could support for the Guadalupe County Appraisal District. He mentioned Mrs. Koch and Doreta Burkett was suggested by the School Board. Mayor Sawyer said he told them if the School Board would get behind Mrs. Burkett, then the City will also. We need to see how many votes the School Board needs and give the rest to our County Commissioner to see if he can get someone else from this end of the County. Mr. Howe did a good job but he does not want to run again. Mr. Brandon asked Mayor Sawyer for a name to put on the Hospital Board and Mayor Sawyer suggested Nancy Scott. Mr. Baldwin said he felt either Carlene or Don Scott would be better. Mr. Baldwin said the School District is thinking of some positive things to build up reputation of the district. One recommendation made was thaf the name be changed from SCUC ISD to a single name. ~., .:,~' . .~,",;,;:-.:r:'~:l],i.~L:~ '. ,,\Jt...:. ;j,Ji~"-'-..uJ..;' ,):~.~Li..-" D 297 #IO ADJOURNMENT: Mayor Sawyer declared the meeting be ~ adjourned at 10:22 p.m~ r- ..-- i ~ ATTEST: ecretary, City of Schertz ~~~.:i~~