ccswks 06-11-1986
~
,--
,--.
(
I
~
161
SPECIAL MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL
JUNE 11, 1986
The Schertz City Council convened in Special Workshop Session,
Wednesday, June ll, 1986, at 7:00 p.m. in the Conference Room of
the Municipal Complex, l400 Live Oak Road, Schertz, Texas. The
following members were present: Mayor Earl W. Sawyer, presiding;
Charles B. Sharpe; Hal Baldwin; Ray Stanhope and Ken Greenwald.
Absent: Adolph Aguilar. Staff present were City Manager Jimmy
G. Gilmore and City Secretary June G. Krause.
PUBLIC HEARING: After welcoming everyone to the meeting, Mayor
Sawyer gave the purpose of the public hearing as being to receive
input from citizens on the proposed annexation of approximately
29.l76 acres of land out of Comal County. The land is located on
IIH-35 between Hubertus Road and FM 482.
There were no citizens wishing to speak for or against this
annexation, nor any Councilmembers wishing to speak on this
,subject. Mayor Sawyer declared the hearing closed at 7:02 p.m.
i
I #l HEARING OF RESIDENTS: Mr. Gene Hall from Lone Oak
ISUbdivision addressed Council -concerning a problem of sewage back
:up in his home. He also had a complaint, along with other people
[that live in his neighborhood, about the odor from CCMA's sewer
[plant. Mayor Sawyer said the list had about l20 names of people
ithat are objecting to the odor.
IMr. Hall had some pictures to back up his complaint about the
[sewer backup and over flow that was in his house and yard. He
Isaid this is the third time he has appeared before a Schertz
ICouncil. He said he does not have flood insurance. He has lived
Ithere for about 15 years. He was concerned about the excess
iwater in and under his home and had an estimate of $8000 to have
lit attended to. He said that both he and his wife took tetanus
ishots, although no one suggested that such precautions should be
[taken. After giving some of his ideas of how the problem could
ibe helped, Mr. Hall said that if he could not get some relief
Ifrom the City of Schertz and CCMA, he will be prepared to go to
lcourt. He said he did not feel he should be the scapegoat for
Ithe City of Schertz on this problem.
i
IMayor Sawyer said he knew that the City of Schertz has fixed Mr.
.Hall's sewer one time in the past.
I
[Mr. Stovall, who lives on River Road, said he agreed with Mr.
iHall that this is not the first time, they have this problem
levery time it rains it happens to one of the people in that area.
I
I
IMr. Halls said the sewer line has been replaced by the city
I sever al times.
IMr. Gilmore said that according to his map, Mr. Hall's residence
Iwas in the 500 year flood plain. The City did go there in 1984
162
and spent somewhere around $1400 to improve the sewer system in
that area. We dropped the line, because prior to that it did not 0
have any drop in it. He said he did have the crew go out and
shoot elevations - the sewer line to the outfall line has 9.96"
fall. This should handle about l.4 million or llOO gallons per
minute. The capacity of the sewer line could not carry the
amount of water that came in, the manhole had to be lifted. The
problem was that with the extremely heavy rain, there was more
water than the sewer could release. The State was notified.
In answering questions of Council, Mr. Gilmore said the whole
system was overloaded - not just Lone Oak- with the record rain
that we had. CCMA had a man at the plant dumping. This was not
unique to Schertz, Randolph, San Antonio, Universal City and
Converse all had similar problems.
Mr. Baldwin said that there is valve to keep water from backing
up into a water system. Is there a back flow valve to keep
sewage from flowing into their house. Mr. Gilmore was asked to
checR with the engineer to see if this would be feasible.
Mayor Sawyer said that the petition on the odor has gone to CCMA
and that he feels Mr. Gilmore has sufficient information to see
what can be done on this problem.
There being no further comments, Mayor Sawyer called for a short
recess at 7:43 p.m.
o
Mr. AGUILAR ARRIVED AT 7:50 P.M., when the meeting was
reconvened.
#2 Discussion of an ordinance amending the water ordinance
concerning fire hydrants and fire protection lines.
Mayor Sawyer said that the first reading of this ordinance has
been passed; and since there was no further discussion, this
should be an agenda item for the l7th of June.
#3 Discussion of amending the zoning ordinance by rezoning
the COR property, located on FM 3009, to General Business.
Mr. Sawyer advised that the public hearings on this had been held
and this would also be on the next agenda.
#4 Discussion of setback variance request of Mr. Parker -
Pecan Grove Mobile Home Park.
Mr. Gilmore said the setback line for Mobile Home parks is lO
feet. There are several mobile homes that are placed closer than
the required distance. At a meeting, with the Mayor present, Mr.
Parker was told that the ones already there could remain, since
the Inspector had approved them, but any new ones would have to 0
meet the requirements of the ordinance.
i:,,/~~~JJ:<gr:~'i'" .
1!JiI:.
/
I
163
~
Mr. Greenwald said the problem is that the gas line was offset
along the easement line; but that is not our problem. The Gas
Company will not allow you to built over the top of the line or
even skirt over it.
Mr. Gilmore said he did not know if the inspector knew where the
gas company was putting their line because we do not inspect
where they put their line.
Mayor Sawyer said the agreement was that those that are already
in place can remain but when they are moved out, they will be
replaced with the proper 'setback according to ordinance.
Mr. Greenwald said that if the mobile homes are placed closer
thanlO feet, people will be walking right up to the trailer.
After a thorough discussion by Council and Mr. David North, who
represented Mr. Parker, Mayor Sawyer said he was hear ing that
about 4 to 1 of the Council does not want to grant a variance.
This will be on the next agenda.
#5 Discussion of Economic Development Committee Plan.
Mr. Sharpe said we need people on this committee that can take
advantage of the training the State offers, such as TEXCEL.
r--
Mr. Gilmore explained that this is a basic guideline f or the
committee. He said he feels we could get the State people to
come down here for meetings. Also Mr. Naylor offered to discuss
industrial development and perhaps Barshop has someone also. Mr.
Gilmore said his problem is going to be finding a coordinator
from staff as this is going to be one of the more important
committees.
Council felt Mr. Gilmore should be the coordinator for this
committee. They also felt it was a good plan and as it is used,
it can always be changed or modified to meet needs.
#6 Discussion of programming water billing to accept
donations to Fire, SAFES, Library, etc.
Mr. Tom Yarling of Thomas Software discussed with Council the
possibility of adding a line to the water billing to allow
citizens to donate in monthly increments to the City Department
of their choice.
Mr. Gilmore said he felt it best to get the opinions of the
various department heads first. Council agreed we should first
see if the various departments wanted to solicit funds.
#7 Discussion of a proposed sign ordinance.
--
Mr. Gilmore advised that the proposed sign ordinance had gone to
the City Attorney, who has sent back his recommendations.
(
164
After Council discussion, Mayor Sawyer suggested sending the U"--'
proposed ordinance back to Planning and Zoning and have them
incorporate the recommendations into the ordinance.
#8 CITY MARAGER'S REPORT: Mr. Gilmore reported that Mr.
Bindseil had returned a certified letter to Mr. Greenwald and the
letter was almost word for word the same as the one received from
Mr. Ackermann. There will be another meeting with Bindseil and
Ackermann and the Woodland Oaks people the next day to discuss
drainage, etc. Mr. Gilmore said that after this meeting, he
would like to have Council permission to present this to the
lawyers. He said he did not know about the cost nor did he have
any suggestions as to getting their cattle back and forth across
Schertz Parkway.
After further discussion, Mayor Sawyer asked Mr. Gilmore to make
them a written offer for their land of whatever our attorney
thinks sufficient. We know that we are going to have to condemn
the property.
Mr. Baldwin asked if the
and Bindseil tied down.
trying to tie it down so
of the road. If one
responsible.
Council discussed what money should be offered Mr. Ackermann and
Mr. Bindseil for their land and it was decided to offer them
$10,000 at first and only go higher if it seems necessary.
developers have everybody but Ackermann
Mr. Gilmore said yes, the Consortium is
each is responsible for a certain share
sells, then the buyer will still be
n
U
B. Received a letter from Dr. Tull, Veterinarian, and she is
asking to hold a class in Schertz for about 20 people on July 8
or 9th and would most likely be during the day. Mr. Gilmore said
it seemed to him our Library Conference room would be ideal.
They also would like the Mayor to say a few words at the meeting.
C. As you know, the subdivision ordinance is being looked at by
P&Z. They have come to us with a recommendation about street
signs. I think we should get this recommendation in the present
ordinance and then it will be incorporated into the new version.
This will be on the next agenda, with Council permission.
D. Have a recommendation from P&Z and they are unanimously
recommending rezoning 77.l9 acres of land, Northwood Subdivison.
The preliminary plat shows that 4.7 acres are to be Office and
Professional, 11.7 acres of Multi family and the remaining will
be single family R5B and drainage.
Mr. Greenwald advised that this is another Larry Thomas project.
He showed pictures of what the Office & Professional portion 0
would look like. With reference to past discussions on the 5,000 II
square foot lots, steve Simonson did some color coding on some
recent plats that shows that even though developers ask for these
~, '~~~~'~-"
',.tA(),.
r--
r-
r-
I
I
l
165
~5B size lots, very few of the lots are under 6,000 feet. It
rorks out to larger lots because of the drainage and topography.
~r. Gilmore said that he knows Council has discussed the smaller
ots several times but he is at a loss to understand the problem.
arge lot subdivisions do not pay for themselves. The way they
are building now, the lot size does not have that much to do with
~he size of the house.
I
kr. Baldwin said you have to have some type of mix, they messed
pp Savanna Square by using small lots.
i
~r. Gilmore said the question is do you zone for economics or do
~e zone to delay growth. Mr. Aguilar said he preferred the term
rcontrol" growth instead of delay.
,
rR. BALDWIN HAD TO LEAVE AT lO:OO P.M.
~aYor Sawyer said he understood that two of the Council feel the
ity should have more large lots; one wants mixed sizes; and he
as not sure how Mr. Baldw1n feels.
I #9 ITEMS BY COUNCIL: Mr. Stanhope referred to the FM 78 By
ass and showed on the map a route he prefers - crossing FM l5l8
(would take two bridges) back around Lone Oak and come back in at
M 3009. But still make FM 78 four lanes. If we widen FM 78,
he only thing we are doing is moving traffic - if we go with a
y Pass, we open some different areas.
I
bayor Sawyer suggested not talking about selling bonds for FM 78
iOf you want to go with a by pass. We had talked about by passing
oth Schertz and Cibolo in the past and no one wanted it. About
he only thing diff erent with Mr. Stanhope's suggestion is the
lover leaf he recommends for FM 3009.
i
i
~r. Greenwald suggested that Mr. Gilmore call Mr. Ehlers to see
~f they would even consider going with FM 3009.
kr. Sharpe asked why we could not go with just plain four lanes
for FM 78 and not have a left-turn lane - that would not take so
Fuch right of way.
. Mr. Stanhope asked why we can't get the weeds on the east
ide of Cibolo Creek chopped down and cleaned up. If we have
ots with weeds other places in the City, we get them to cut the
eeds, so why can't we get those people who own to the middle of
he creek to cut the weeds. At least we can ask them to clean
hat area.
~r. Sharpe - A. To follow up on FM 78, is it mandatory to have a
~eft-turn lane? Mr. Gilmore will check with Mr. Ehlers.
t. He noticed that half of the barrier at the low-water crossing
as gone. Mr. Gilmore said that an l8 wheeler came across and
truck it and just kept going. We are checking on it now.
166
C. Do we fine people for driving into floods - that drive around
barriers. Mr. Gilmore said yes.
D. Is Mr. Parker going to put up a stop sign coming out of Pecan
Grove. Mr. Gilmore said Jerry Graham met with him and showed him
where to put the signs.
E. Mr. Sharpe asked for
Thomas about dish washers
other Council members said
directed to be sent. Mr.
Monarch Homes.
a copy of the letter sent to Larry
causing problems. Mr. Gilmore and
they did not think the 'letter was
Sharpe asked that one be sent to
F. When is Larry Thomas going to start on phase II that is
suppose to have the retention pond. Do not know for sure.
Mr. Aguilar - A. Is there a parking sign about parallel parking
at the new shoe shop on First Street and FM 78. Mr. Gilmore said
yes, the sign is in place but people have been ignoring it.
B. Mr. Aguilar reported on a meeting of the Transportation Task
Force that he attended on Friday concerning all th~ improvements
and changes that will be taking place. He said the new District
Engineer was not aware of all the things that Schertz has planned
for the I 35 area or FM 78. There will be a public hearing on
the 25th at the Selma Church concerning the cross-overs at Selma
and FM 3009.
C. Mr. Aguilar announced that there would be an Austin-San
Antonio Corridor meeting on Friday and that he would attend that
before he leaves for vacation.
Mr. Greenwald asked if any inroads on billing the people that
were 'responsible for the damage to the ambulance had been made.
Mr. Gilmore said the police were still working on it.
#lO I~ BY MAYOR: Mr. Sawyer said he had nothing.
#11 ADJOORRMBRT: Mayor Sawyer declared the meeting to be
adjourned at lO:53 p~m.
ATTEST:
Secretary, City of Schertz
,,~:~j; '~H~.l1~rj ;%$
-
- --.~,.
',~,,,,,,,,~_.', .
o
o
o
I
)