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02-25-1997 . . . e e PLANNING AND ZONING MINUTES and Zoning Commission convened in February 25, 1997 at 7:00 p.m. Andrews Conference Room, 1400 Those present were as follows: regular in the Schertz The Schertz Planning session on Tuesday, Municipal Complex Bob Parkway, Schertz, Texas. PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION CITY STAFF ERNIE EVANS, CHAIRMAN DAVID RICHMOND, VICE-CHAIRMAN MERWIN WILLMAN, SECRETARY PIA JARMAN GARY WALLACE KEITH VAN DINE TONY MORENO KEN GREENWALD, COUNCILMAN STEVE SIMONSON, ASST. CITY MANAGER DENISE GRANGER, PLANNING SECRETARY MEMBERS ABSENT OTHERS PRESENT Leonard Truitt, Building Official Ferdinand Girard, Girard Signs Jeff Kester, Kester & Associates #1 CALL TO ORDER Chairman Ernie Evans called the February 25, 1997 regular meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. #2 APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Regular Session February 11, 1997. Pia Jarman moved to approve the Regular Session minutes of February 11, 1997. Tony Moreno seconded the motion which carried with a unanimous vote. #3 STATUS OF FINAL PLATS: Chairman Ernie Evans stated there were none at this time. #4 CITIZENS' INPUT OTHER THAN AGENDA ITEMS: There were none. #5 CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION: Request from Jeff Kester for Site Plan Approval for the Guadalupe County substation. (PC #298-97A) Steve Simonson stated there also are letters accompanying the site plan for revisions concerning the removal of the condensers from e e . the west side to the east side, the masonry screening on the west side being replaced with landscape screening, and also the lighting has changed which is outlined in a letter dated February 18, 1997. The other corrections that were previously outlined have been corrected and shown. On item #19 the berm sign will be 4' X 6" tall. Pia Jarman asked if condensers that the Evans stated there building which is showing three boxes that are identified building. the letters HVC stand for the air conditioner letter refers to. Steve stated "yes". Ernie should be two pads on the west side of the where all the parking will be. The diagram will be moved to the east side. The lights in item #36 on poles will now be on the Ernie Evans stated on page 1 of 3 which starts the landscaping, buffering shrubs were asked for even though it is not actually identified. The type is on the lower right hand corner. Pia Jarman moved to approve the request for the Site Plan for the Guadalupe County Substation as submitted by Jeff Kester. Keith Van Dine seconded the motion which carried with a unanimous vote. #6 CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION: Request from Girard Sign for a Variance to the Sign Ordinance for Carolina Crossing. (PC #302-97) . Steve Simonson stated this is a request for two off premise signs for Carolina Crossing: with one being on Roy Richard Drive and the corner of Savannah Drive; the other one being at the entrance of Schertz Parkway and IH 35 on the Harden property. There is a letter from Mr. Harden stating he is in favor of the sign. This is a request that we have not received from any other developer. Carolina Crossing has development signs on their property on Schertz Parkway. . Steve Simonson stated we are having a tremendous proliferation of signs that it is becoming extremely hard to keep up with them because of all the developers within this area. We are having a serious problem with the bandit signs. Steve stated he has sent out a letter on behalf of the City of Schertz Planning and Zoning Commission stating that these are the rules that all developers have to go by. It appears that most, if not all, are not complying with the ordinance, with signs going up where they are not supposed to be. The signs are only allowed on Roy Richard Drive and Schertz Parkway with no signs being permitted on cross roads. A letter was sent out to every developer to reiterate what the priorities are and what is authorized and not authorized. If this continues, it will be brought forth to the Planning and Zoning Commission to revoke any authorization for bandit signs. There also have been some developers putting up signs on skids that are not authorized anywhere. They have been talked to by the Inspection Department. Steve apologized to the chairman for taking so much time on bandit signs, but it is taking so much of the inspection department's time -2- e e . to go and pick up these signs. They have enough to do to make sure the housing is going right, industrial buildings, schools etc. There is no need to have signs where they are not supposed to be. Ernie Evans stated he agrees with Steve. Ernie would prefer to see the inspectors doing their job of inspecting buildings etc. and not having to pick up signs. If there is a builder who is not following the ordinance, then take the privilege away from the builder. Pia Jarman stated according to the letter they are not requesting bandit signs. Steve stated "no" one sign is 8 X 8 and one is 4 X 8. These are development off premise, off site signs. David Richmond stated he has a problem because it will be a precedent putting the 4 X 8 sign on FM 3009 for development that is mainly accessible off of Schertz Parkway. If we begin to do this for one we are going to get requests for all. With the signs on IH 35 and the bandit signs and the knowledge that people have with where the subdivisions are located, another sign would not be appropriate. Merwin Willman stated he agrees with Dave and Steve. In realizing that advertisement is important for developers, we also need to think about the City. In the way it is growing, there are signs at the entrances to the city that will be requested. There needs to be a better way than big signs allover town. . Ernie Evans believed that a few meetings ago, this was discussed on signs for Woodland Oaks and the sign was turned down. Merwin Willman stated this issue needs to be discussed thoroughly. Merwin understands what the developers want but need to look at it from the City's side. We don't want entrances to our City cluttered up with signs. very we the Pia Jarman stated from an advertising point of view, and she has worked in advertising in her life, when you have an absolute clutter of signs it is a self-defeating thing, as no one sees any one particular sign. People see a whole lot of signs. From the advertising point of view it is not a good idea. There must be some other way to do better advertisement than planting a bunch of signs. Tony Moreno stated the developers have taken steps in highway sign outside of San Antonio before you get Parkway, which is an excellent sign. getting a to Schertz Councilman Ken Greenwald stated maybe the Commission should look at trading off. Either one off premise sign or bandit signs. . Keith for a Van Dine moved to deny the request submitted by Girard Variance to the Sign Ordinance for Carolina Crossing. Sign Pia -3- e e . Jarman seconded the motion which carried with a unanimous vote. #7 CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION: Request from city of Schertz Inspection Department to Reconsider the Bandit Signs on FM 3009 for Scott Felder. (PC #220-97A) . . Chairman Ernie Evans stated there was a document received this afternoon on February 25 @ 4:18 p.m. addressed to the Planning and Zoning Commission from Kelly Leach, Sales Manager, Scott Felder Homes, requesting postponement of their appearance before this Committee concerning signage on and along FM 3009. Ernie quoted "Please move us to the March 11th meeting, we have just been made aware of problems with signage and tonight's meeting. Thank you." Ernie Evans stated the first issue should be if we will postpone their request until another agenda, or deal with it tonight. Merwin Willman stated he would like to hear what the inspector has to say on how long there has been a problem, as the developers are stating they were just made aware of it. Tony Moreno also wanted to know how long the inspection department has dealt with this builder. Leonard Truitt stated there have been four or five contacts with men at Scott Felder's construction trailer at the site in Cibolo. Each time a different person was spoken to. Each time the inspection department was told it would be taken care of, but the following week the inspectors were pulling up more signs. This has all been done verbally. The way it is handled is "usually we go into the site advising them we have their signs that we picked up. We speak with the individuals at that time, also we advise them of the current policy on bandit signs and what they were approved for." A sales agent was spoken to today as there were signs out. He acted very surprised and our inspector informed him of the meeting this evening. Steve Simonson stated it appears the people that Leonard has been talking to have not passed on the information to the appropriate authority above. Leonard has brought the Commission a problem that is not a problem with just Scott Felder. However, Scott Felder is the worst and this is the reason the letter was sent out by Steve on bandit signs. Pia Jarman stated with Mr. Truitt and pulling up the signs, this is telling we take the signs away from them. builders contract out for the signs signs means nothing to them. his colleagues going out and the developers also because Steve mentioned that the to be put up so losing the Leonard Truitt stated in talking with the sales agents involved with all the development, there is usually one person (sign contractor) that takes care of all the development signs for one -4- e e . city. There was a comment brought to Leonard as a suggestion, that there be no bandit signs in the City, that there be a sign at each end of Schertz Parkway and FM 3009 with each builder's name displayed on it. Ernie Evans stated the real issue is: should we hear out this item now or postpone further discussion? Merwin Willman stated Leonard brought up a good point on having one sign at the entrance to the City so the issue on bandit signs should be looked at very closely, to see if the Commission feels it should be changed. Pia Jarman stated if we are going to come to a decision tonight on this bandit sign issue, then postpone the Scott Felder item until the next meeting. If we are not going to come to a decision on bandit signs, then we need to table the agenda item. Tabling has no specific date, we can say "until a decision has been made." . Ernie Evans stated he can only go on the input based upon the City inspection department's findings. The inpectors have on a number of occasions talked with the site managers, and Ernie does not care how many times the site managers have changed, that is the builders' problem. If the company cannot deal with the problem and it creates a problem for the City, then Ernie is ready to solve the problem. We should give them a chance however, to come before the Commission so we can hear their side. If they do not show up for the next meeting then the Commission can make a decision. Keith Van Dine stated if in the middle of the postponed it to set it up right" with Keith. Why to talk, we can listen. we postpone this and then change "horses stream" so to speak, it looks like we in a different way, and this doesn't "sit not deal with it now, and if they come in Merwin Willman mentioned if we come up with a change to the ordinance, it will be a few months as it has to go through the process of a public hearing and all the legal steps. Pia Jarman stated all she was bringing up was the wording of "postpone" versus "tabling" which according to Robert's involves different technicalities. Ernie Evans stated the letter received should be taken as a withdrawal from the agenda until the next meeting. David Richmond stated how can they (Scott Felder) make a request to withdraw when the request was made by the City. . Ernie Evans postpone or discussion on meeting, when appearance. stated if it were his decision he probably would not withdraw the request. The Commission has now had a the issue, so why not table it until the next it can be handled with or without the builder's -5- . . . e e Pia Jarman moved to table the request submitted from the city of Schertz Inspection Department to reconsider the Scott Felder Bandit Signs on FM 3009 until the next regular meeting. Tony Moreno seconded the motion which carried with a unanimous vote. #8 CONSIDER AND DISCUSS: Future Development of Schertz Parkway. Ernie Evans stated this is an agenda item that the Commission felt should be discussed before its joint meeting with the TIF on March 13th at 7:00 p.m. The Commission left off at the last meeting on how we all feel and what we all want to go forward to the TIF for the future development of Schertz Parkway. Schertz Parkway development has been discussed during developments of Carolina Crossing, Ashley Place and during the Comp Plan meetings. Schertz Parkway needs to be looked at a different way than it was envisioned ten years ago. How do we foresee it for the future? There are three or four different plans on the board of what mayor may not happen to Schertz Parkway's future development. The Commission needs to come to a consensus on what we would like to convince the TIF for the development of Schertz Parkway. Ten years ago the plan for the development of Schertz Parkway was probably the best thing for Schertz Parkway but times have changed. Schertz Parkway should not be another FM 3009. Schertz Parkway does not seem the one feasible to become a link to 1-10. Pia Jarman quoted a line from Alfred Lord Tennyson, which starts "The old order changes yielding place to new. "The gist is that as human beings with brains, if we cannot change our thinking because times have changed, then we are no better than sheep". The thing is, this was a competely different place 10 or 20 years ago. Now we have a lot of generation difference with the people that have moved; in a difference in what they want. It behooves us to keep the only thing we have that might set us apart from just any old city. So Pia says "preserve the Schertz Parkway" keep it the way it is. The way that people enjoy it and talk about the lovely parkway. The possibility of FM 3009 extending to 1-10 was mentioned as being too costly. However, it will affect only a portion of Lone Oak, not the whole subdivision. If we have to have an alternate route that goes from IH 35 to 1-10 the right thing for the City needs to be done. Merwin Willman stated FM 3009 would not affect Lone Oak only on the one side. In mentioning leaving Schertz Parkway the way it is, do you mean a two lane road? Pia Jarman stated what she meant was to preserve as much of the green area as possible. It could be a three or four lane but still preserving the green area atmosphere. Ernie Evans stated he would like it to be presented to the TIF people that we don't extend Schertz Parkway beyond a three lane road. The remaining area that is left, if Schertz Parkway becomes a three lane road, could be turned into hiking, biking trails etc. with greenery outside of the fences that butt Carolina Crossing, -6- . . . e e from Live Oak Road to the power lines in Live Oak Hills, and the greenbelt then to join what Forest Ridge Development is going to be required to put in. Ernie Evans stated in the surveys that have been received so far the comments are about moving into a city with the openness, country feeling, greenery, and space. If we take those things away then we are going to have a city with no open space. It seems to be a more appropriate use to take the three lanes and use the left over space for recreational type of land use. Merwin Willman asked what the road size would be. steve Simonson stated two 12' and the middle turn lane a 14' wide, if the road is going to be a three lane roadway. There is 86' of ROW. After some discussion the Commission agreed to put this item again for discussion on the next agenda before the meeting with the TIF. The Commission also agreed that Schertz Parkway should be a three lane road with the remaining property being hiking, biking trials, etc., viewing it as a part of the whole preservation plan. #9 GENERAL DISCUSSION: Tony Moreno: Tony Moreno stated he would like to suggest that the Commission subscribe to the New Urban News letter. Pia Jarman stated the Commission was asked about two years ago to review all of the periodicals that we receive, and we decided which ones to keep and which ones to delete. This maybe a good time for the Commission to do such a review again. Keith Van Dine: Kieth Van Dine stated he had no comments. Gary Wallace: Gary Wallace stated he had no comments. Pia Jarman: Pia Jarman appologized to the Commission, and to the Chairman, in particular, for what she did the last time. This Commission had agreed at one time to not approve final plats unless it had everything necessary on it. In 1994 Pia was part of the Commission that had approved the plats for Northcliffe. Pia thought since this was something that was already approved, it would be "grandfathered." That issue aside, the Commission had decided as a procedural matter not to approve the final plat unless everything was correct. It was fine to approve the preliminary plat with contingencies but not the final. -7- e e . Ernie Evans stated no apology is necessary but Ernie appreciates it. Ernie reminded everyone that as far as he is concerned, he does not want to see a final plat approved that has problems in it. As chair he has to remember contingencies when the mylars are brought in to be signed by him and the Secretary often months after our meetings, if such final plats are approved. Ernie Evans stated the same thing applies to the master plans the site plans. These two documents are in the file forever, the rest of the City to work with as it is developed. The thing should apply to master plans and site plans as all contingencies put in the minutes are not on the blueline. and for same the Merwin Willman: Merwin Willman stated on Sunday on Live Oak Road there were bandit signs for "Acclaim" and "Ashley Place." In thinking of the bandit sign business, Steve has sent out a letter which Merwin was going to suggest. If you were to look at the ordinance as a stranger, you would not know what the requirement is for bandit signs. If you go to the section on signs you also can not locate it. It is talked about in the overlay district section of the UDC. This is an item that Merwin is going to discuss with Steve as it should be in the sign section of the UDC relating to bandit signs. . Gary Wallace asked what if we outlaw them. Merwin said if they become "outlawed" then we won't have to worry about them. David Richmond stated he would like to see the one sign concept with all the builders listed. Merwin Willman stated this is something we should discuss and put in the UDC. Merwin said he felt someone should pay a fine for putting up the signs and having to have someone take them down. Ernie Evans stated the issue on the bandit signs should be an official agenda item and the Commissioners need to come to a consensus on bandit signs as it is not going to get any better. It is going to get worse. This issue is in front of us, so let's deal with it. The Commission agreed to have this item on the next agenda for bandit/development signs. Ernie Evans asked Leonard if he would put in writing any other suggestions on signs for the Commission to discuss. Merwin Willman stated he would like to have a listing of the developers whose bandit signs have been approved. Merwin Willman mentioned at the next meeting he will have a of the the traffic impact analysis for the Commission. written up but he would like to get together with Steve other ideas he may have. draft It is on any . -8- . . . e e Merwin Willman stated some time ago the Commission decided on a new procedure for selecting new members. This item was never approved for the SOP. Pia stated this was something that was internal, a detail of the SOP that the Commission as a whole agreed upon. Merwin stated it has to be approved officially. Ernie stated in a general discussion there was a consensus to approve. This happened before Ernie was sworn in as chair. Merwin stated if it is not in the SOP for everyone to have then it is no good. Pia mentioned not everyone has a copy of the SOP. Gary stated he has not gotten the SOP Ernie stated he has a partial one. Merwin asked why everyone doesn't have one. Pia stated she did not know, she did receive one when she was selected for the Commission. Merwin stated he guessed it was time for him to resign. Merwin stated there is terminology being used that he does not understand. Ernie stated it maybe that we have not followed the SOP or a standard procedure as we have brought people aboard the last year or so. Merwin stated the SOP for selecrting a new member was written up. He thought Pia had "invented" the procedure. Pia stated David had suggested it, Pia just wrote it as an "addendum" to the SOP. Merwin stated when changes are made they need to go in the SOP. Ernie stated Pia and he were going through the SOP last fall. Ernie stated maybe the SOP needs to be rebuilt. David Richmond: David Richmond stated he had no comments. HEB is moving right along. Councilman Ken Greenwald: Councilman Ken Greenwald stated there is a bond issue tentatively set for August. This is only allowed four times a year at an approved election date. If we get enough people to serve on the committee with ideas, we hope to go forward in August; if not, it will have to be the November time frame. There are a lot of issues on it. There maybe some that people don't want, who knows. Anyone who has been around the municipal complex will notice we are completely out of room: especially the fire department, and SAFES. SAFES at this time is putting in a mobile home. The ball field complex had 534 children last year with an excess of over 600 this year. There were games starting as late at 9:00 p.m. on a school night. People have been asked to serve on this bond committee. If you can, please do so. It will be greatly appreciated. What can we afford and what do we really need are the issues. Steve Simonson: issues items items is a Steve Simonson stated over a period of time, we talked about that we want to fix or add to the UDC. If anyone has any that they want looked at, we need to move on some of these and get them into the UDC without letting them go. There problem in particular on parking lots. Steve Simonson stated the UDC has to have a public hearing so we -9- e e . need to get everything together as one package. Any items on the UDC should be brought up to Steve, and he and Merwin will work on them to get the process going at the earliest opportunity. Ernie Evans: Ernie Evans reminded the Commission that March 11th will be our next meeting. On March 13th is the joint TIF meeting and on March 18th is a Comp Plan Committee meeting. The town meetings have been set for April 15th and May 14th. There will be an article in the April newsletter from the Mayor to let the citizens know of the meetings. Ernie Evans stated the TXDOT meeting was very interesting as were the maps on the wall and the comments from the public. Ernie Evans asked if the comp plan could meet on March 4th to make up for the meeting that had to be canceled in February. This was not a problem and Denise will check to see if the Fire Chief and Juan could attend the March 4th meeting. *10 ADJOURNMENT: David Richmond moved to adjourn the meeting. Keith Van Dine seconded the motion, which carried with a unanimous vote. . Chairman Ernie Evans adjourned the meeting at 9:00 p.m. The next regularly scheduled meeting is March 11, 1997. [..~~~ Chairman, Planning and Commission " ATTEST: . \"" IC~ /1 hJU'l.AuL'"IJ \~( lI"..,'Y\fy2A-- " Planning Secr~tary City of Schertz, Texas -10- e . . PLANNING AND ZONING MINUTES The Schertz Planning and Zoning Commission conducted a public hearing on Tuesday, March 11, 1997 at 7:00 p.m. in the Municipal Complex Bob Andrews Conference Room, 1400 Schertz Parkway, Schertz, Texas. Those present were as follows: PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION ERNIE EVANS, CHAIRMAN MERWIN WILLMAN, SECRETARY PIA JARMAN GARY WALLACE KEITH VAN DINE TONY MORENO KEN GREENWALD, COUNCILMAN MEMBERS ABSENT DAVID RICHMOND, VICE-CHAIRMAN (Vac) . . CITY STAFF STEVE SIMONSON, ASST. CITY MANAGER DENISE GRANGER, PLANNING SECRETARY OTHERS PRESENT Kelly Leach, Scott Felder Homes Lois Sarantakis, Pulte Homes Carlos Farias, Veytia Partners Leon Jones, 1301 Chestnut Drive Joe Veytia, Veytia Partners Gary Thompson, Sprint Cell Tower Wade Hutson, Sprint Cell Tower Greg San Marco, McCrary & Associates Er Campos Ben Coward, Flagship Oliver Nelson, Manor Realty Jeff Engelke, Plantation Leonard Truitt, Bldg. Official Paul Denham, W.F. Castella Julia Wilkie, 713 Wooded Trail Paul Tralmer, 1133 Lauran Park Drive Randy Sorrell, Ransor, Inc. Tim Pruski,