07-08-1986 PLANNING AND ZONING MINUTES
The Schertz Planning and Zoning Commission con vened in a regular meeting
on Tuesday, July 8, 1986 at 7:00 'P. M. in the Municipal Complex .Conference
Room. Those present were as follows:
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS ABSENT
THOMAS YARLING, CHAIRMAN '
BOB ANDREWS, VICE-CHAIRMAN DONALD I~ILSON
JAMES HARDEN, SECRETARY CITY STAFF
MERWIi~ WILLMAN
TY BRISGILL STEVE SIMONSON, PLANNING COORDINATOR
DAVID ALLEN SYLVIA TAYLOR, RECORDING SECRETARY
KEN GREENWALD, COUNCILMAN
#1 CALLED TO ORDER
Chairman Yarling called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M.
#Z APPROVAL OF MINUTES: 't
A. Regular Session June 24, 1986:
Mr. Harden stated he thought the Staff was correct, Stop-N-Go is on IH 35
and FM 3009 .
Mr. Allen stated he did not intend to criticize the Staff but he feels
Stop-N-Go is within the Overlay District.
Mr. Simonson stated the Overlay District is being challenged therefore
Richard Harris, City Attorney, wa_s asked to study the ordinance,'including
the four corners in question.
Mr. Willman made a motion to approve the minutes of June 24, 1986 regular
session. Mr. Allen seconded the motion and vote was unanimously in favor.
Motion carried.
B. Special Session: _
Mr. Simonson explained due to a malfunction of the recorder the statement in
question could not be varified but the minutes did need to be approved.
Mr. Allen wi thdrew his' objection and moved to~" approve the minutes of the
June 17, 1986 special session. Mr. Andrews seconded the motion and vote
was unanimously in favor. Motion carried.
#3 CITIZENS' INPUT OTHER THAN AGENDA ITEMS
There was none.
#4 PRELIMINARY PLAT: Northcliffe Estates Model Home Park-
. Donnenbaum Engineering Corp.
There was no one present to represent Donnenbaum Engineering.
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Mr. Andrews asked if they were asking for a replatting. Mr. Simonson stated
they .were not.
Mr. Willman stated approval had been granted on May 8,..1984, as a preliminary
plat. Mr. Simonson stated changes have been made since the approval.
Mr. Allen asked what the .difference between a preliminary plat and a'final
plat were.
Mr. Simonson stated a preliminary plat is the initial legal document of what
the. developer wants to build,. a final plat is the .same .except it must include
the recommendations made by the Staff, Planning Commission, and the City
Engineer.
Mr.a Allen asked if the developer could submit as many preliminary plats as
they desired. Mr. Simonson stated they could not.
Mr. Andrews asked ifit was normal procedure to first s ubmit a Master Plan
then the phases. Mr. Willman stated it was, adding the phases must -
correspond wi th the Master P] an.
Mr. Andrews asked if there would be an extension to Scenic Hills. Mr. Simonson
stated there would not be an extension.
Mr. Andrews suggested writing "Revised': on the original Master Plan.
Mr. Simonson stated the original plan would be pulled and the "Revised"
plan would be filed in its place,
Mr. B risgill asked if the Staff. had anymore input on the Master Plan.
Mr. Simonson stated. the recommendations made by the Staff and Ford-Engineering.
One of Ford Engineerings request being that .the greenbelts be renamed
to either right-of-ways o r easements.
Mr. Andrews moved to recommend approval of Northcliffe Estates Model Home.Park
upon completion of Staff recommendations. Mr. Willman seconded the motion
and vote .was unanimously in favor. Motion carried..
#5 VACATE AND REPEAT: Schertz Modular Park-Unit 1 (Pecan Grove)-
G. A: Pr .'t and Associates, Inc. -
There was no one present to .represent ~G. A. Pratt and Associates. - -
Mr. Yarling asked what the Staff recommendations were.
Mr. Simonson stated the Staff recommended. the request be.den.ied because
the safety lanes are .not the size (28 feet) allowed in the variance granted,
and engineering data was om~i;tted from the plat. Emergency vehicles woul d
have a hard time traveling in an.' area with safety lanes of the present size.
Mr. Simonson added the request;is for.what has already been built.
Mr. Harden stated the area is nice but they came in with one plan then go -
out and built what they want.
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Mr. Simonson stated the Staff likes the trees but the area is in the flood
lain and the safet lanes .need to be the correct-size.
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Mr. Yarling asked what happened to the area during the rain. Mr. Simonson
stated the area handled the rain.
Mr. Brisgill asked what recourse the Schertz Modular Park had if the request
is denied. Mr. Simonson stated they could go before the Board of Adjustments.
The original plat was completely ignored, they would have to ask for a
..variance. The City Engineer recommended an Amended Plat; an amended plat
states an error was made on the original plat.
Mr. Allen stated he would be wi] ling to work wi th the developer wi th anything
but not the safety lanes.
Mr. Yarling asked what would be requi red for the developer to meet the requi re-
ments. Mr. Andrews replied they would have to cut down some trees.
Mr. Allen asked i f the .28 foot safety lane included street parking. Mr. Andrews
stated it did not. allow street parking.
Mr. Simonson stated i f there was a fi re the sooner the Fire Department arri ved
at the fire -the better, the departments of emergency services do not want '
obstructions. With the present safety lane sizes.it would be difficult for
the Fire Department and SAFES to travel in the area.
Mr. Andrews asked if it was normal procedure for a flood plain, safety lanes
and other safety requirements to be accomplished before occupancy was allowed.
Mr. Simonson replied i t was the correct procedure.
Mr. Allen asked why inspections were not done on the roads. Mr. Greenwald
stated the roads are private, adding if plat was disapproved the reasons
should be listed.
There was further discussion about the difference between a private and a
dedicated street. Mr. Willman stated the difference irs.who maintance the
streets .
Mr. Harden asked if the developer could be asked to widen the streets.
Mr. Simonson replied they could since the plat was not followed. He added
he would be surprised if the City is not in court shortly due to this.
Mr. Allen stated,it "scared" him not to be able to. get emergency vehicles-'
into th.e area.
Mr. Allen asked if there was any difference in the action they would take
if an amended plat was presented. Mr. Simonsoh stated there was not.
Mr. Allen made a motion to disapprove the vacate and replat request by
Schertz Modular Park Unit 1 due to:
a. width of safety lanes do not comply with variance granted of 28 feet
b. other recommendations made by Staff (.see letter attached)
c. uti 1 i ty easements
Mr. Brisgill seconded the motion and vote was unanimously in favor. Motion
carried.
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Mr. Yarling introduced a request by Payless... The request is for flag
pennants from canopy and light pole to building. Also included is a sky
1 i ght (smal 1 spot light) to be operated four hours each night from July 18th
through the 20th.
Mr. Greenwald stated he di:d not like .the idea, of the spot light. The Commission
agreed with Mr. `;Greenwald.
Mr. Allen made a motion to approve Payless' request with the exception to
sky 1 i ghts due to Kardies Ai rport and Randolph Air Force Base.. Mr. Willman
seconded the motion and vote was unanimously in favor. Motion carried.
#6 GENERAL ,DISCUSSION
Mr. Andrews asked if legal opinion. had been recieved yet on what recourse
Dobie Heights had available. Mr. Simonson replied he had not heard from
the attorney on this matter yet.
Mr. Andrews asked what the zoning ordinance stated about keeping animals in
the Ci ty:~ ~~Mr.:Allen stated three animals of a species could be kept.
Mr. Simonson asked if he could withdraw the Public Hearing for Donnenbaum
since they had come. in with a Special Use Permit. The Commission granted
Mr. Simonson permission to do so.
Mr. Andrews asked if the City had considered selling products in the concession.
stand at the park. Mr. Greenwald .stated if they did so it would reduce-the
profits of the concession stands in th'e park, which-support the B.V.Y.A.
Mr. Andrews had mentioned to Tom Dov.~y, City Inspector, the Cibolo Computer
Glub was using the .park pavillion as ids offical_pick-up and drop-off point
for its students. Mr. Andrews asked what .the Cities liability is.
Mr. Greenwald stated the Cibolo Computer Club was uti 1 i zi n g the pavi 1 l i on
illegally since the :use of the pavill.ion had not be coordinated with the
City.
Mr. Allen asked i f i t was di ffernnt from the Gi rl Scouts using the park.
Mr. Greenwald stated i t was. The Girl Scouts have a contract wi th the Ci tq .
and carry their own insurance.
Mr. Willman stated he City Council had approved-the following:
a, the rezoning of Northcliffe
b. the .annexation of Shirmerville
c, the final reading of CDR's rezoning request
Mr. Willman asked if inspections were: done in Pecan Grove. Mr. Simonson
replied they were.. .
Mr. Willman stated he had noticed theybuildings at the park were being painted
though they were being. painted in deferent colors. Mr. Allen asked if that
was what i s meant by . a °colorful parl~~:"
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Mr. Brisgill asked about the progress of the utility construction in Greenshire.
Mr. Simonson replied it was going very slow.
Mr. Brisgill added the utility construction signs in Woodland Oaks are hazardous
because they obstruct drivers vision.
Mr. Brisgill asked about the traffic signs in Woodland Oaks. Mr. Simonson
stated he was surprised he had not reeieved a plat from Woodland Oaks Developers
yet.
Mr. Brisgill stated there was excessive trash out at Stop-N-Go again this past
weekend. Mr. Simonson stated he would talk to the Ci ty Inspectors.
Mr. Brisgill .asked if anything else was known about the Sche rtz Parkway.
Mr. Simonson answered there was no new information.
Mr. Allen once again informed the Commission he would be gone for two weeks
starting July 14, 1986.
Mr. Allen wished to compliment everyone involved in the parade but feels '
better traffic control measures should be taken.
Mr. Allen inquired about the progress of the Sign Ordinance. Councilman
Greenwald stated it was on the agenda for the workshop meeting of July 9th.
Mr. Allen asked about the sign and billboards out on FM 3009. Mr. Simonson
stated .there is a:_total ban on billboards.
Mr. Allen stated he had seen signs being put up by the Caverans and Garden
Ridge Pottery. Mr. Harden said the signs had been there, repairs were
being done on the signs.
Mr. Allen asked about the Overl ay District. Mr. Simonson stated the City
Attorney was looking at the sign part of the ordinance. As soon as the
`s-tudy was completed he would speak to th.e City -Manager.
Mr. Greenwald added the sign ordinance. i tsel f is~ not a ~ problem but i t is in
conflict with the Overlay District.
Mr. Yarling asked what the status of Dobie Heights was. Mr. Simonson replied
letters had been `sent to them but they have not responded.
Mr. Yarling stated it seemed like people were doing what they wanted and
ordinances .could not be enforced.
Next regular meeting July 22, 1986.
#7 ADJOURMENT
Chairman Yarling adjourned the meeting at~8:45 P.M.
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L ENGINEERING INC.
FORD
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ENGINEERING ' PLANNING bEVELOPMENT
Project X10. 1121.000CRV
July 9, 1986
~'!rir . Ji mmy ~ Gi lmore
Drawer I
Schertz, Texas 78154
Re: Schertz Modular Park Unit 1
Vacate/Replat
Dear Mr. Gilmore,
' Ford Engineering, Inc., as requested has reviewed the
preliminary plat provided for the replat ~:f Schertz Modular
Park Unit.l. The fallowing comments are provided:
- 1. Plat. furni shed i s not complete, all of Lot 1 must be -
shown on the replat. r
2.. Instead of using a vacate/replat recommend using an
amendment plat.
_ 3. Hydraulic data to support these changes must be
submitted, reference our letter July 22, 1985. and January~l5,
1986 pertaining to this pro3e~;t.
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4. Identi~~fy surrounding pro~ijrty owners and Volume .and Page.
as' recorded in deed records.
5.. Please show line and .curve data: on the plat in an area
outside the lot lines.
6. Proposed utility easement should be a minimum of 16 feet
to permit access for maintenance equipment..
7. Required utility easement~on Northeast property border
appears to have been omitted from the replat sheet.
8. Identify line running parallel with proposed safety lane.
9. Proposed safety lane width varies from 26.0' to 21.93',
width should conform to City standards. ,
10. Identify on the plat US&GS Benchmark used for elevation
acid its location with respect to the property. .
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433 KITTY HAWK DRIVE,. SUITE 110. (P.O,SOX 29061, UNIVERSAL CITY, TEXAS 78148-1906 (5121659-0357
11. 'I`he 100 year floodpl.ain cross contour lines need .to be
shown on the final plat.
Please let us know if you have any questions or require
'additional information regarding this project..
Si ncerely,
wi R`.'~ord, P.E.
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