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12-10-1986 PLANNING AND ZONING MINUTES The Schertz Planning and Zoning Commission and City Council conducted a Joint Public Hearing on December 10, 1986 in the Municipal Complex Conference Room. Members present were as follows: PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL BOB ANDREWS, VICE-CHAIRMAN ~1AYOR EARL SAWYER MERWIN WILLMAN CHUCK SHARPE TY BRISGILL ADOLPH AGUILAR DAVID ALLEN KEN GREENWALD MEMBERS ABSENT HAL BALDWIN RAY STANHOPE THOMAS YARLING, CHAIRMAN CITY STAFF JAMES HARDEN, SECRETARY STEVE SIMONSON, PLANNING COORDINATOR NORMA ALTHOUSE, RECORDING SECRETARY JIMR1Y GILMORE, CITY MANAGER JUNE KRAUSE, CITY SECRETARY #1 CALL TO ORDER Playor Sawyer called the public hearing to order at 7:35 P.M. and turned it .over to Planning and Zoning Vice-Chairman Bob Andrews. #2 PUBLIC HEARING: Zoning Ordinance Vice-Chairman Andrews explained the procedures for the public hearing. There was no public present. #3 GENERAL DISCUSSION There was none. #4 ADJOURNMENT OF PUBLIC HEARING Vice-Chairman Andrews turned the meeting back over to Mayor Sawyer who adjourned the public hearing at 7:37 P.M. The Schertz Planning and Zoning Commission convened in a regular session, upon completion of the public hearing, in the Small Conference Room. #5 CALL TO ORDER Vice-Chairman Andrews called the meeting to order at 7:40 P.M. Mr. Andrews noted that an item "Consider and Make Recommendation: Zoning Ordinance" was omitted from the agenda and should be added as Item #7A. #6 APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Regular Session November 25, 1986 David Allen asked that. on page 7, Paragraph 10, second sentence, "but he and the Fellowship" be changed to "but Kermit Harborth and the Fellowship". -David Allen made a motion to approve the minutes, as amended, for the Regular Session November 25, 198:6.. Merwin Willman seconded the motion and the vote was unanimous in favor. Motion carried. #7 CITIZENS' INPUT OTHER THAN AGENDA ITEMS There was none. #7A CONSIDER AND MAKE RECOMMENDATION: Zoning Ordinance David Allen made a motion to recommend approval of the proposed Zoning Qrdinance. Merwin Willman seconded the motion and the vote was unanimous in favor. Motion carried. #8 CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION: Sycamore Creek Apartments - Request for Extension of Time on Three Advertising Signs Vice-Chairman. Andrews commented the signs are located at Elbel Road and FM 3009, at Elbel Road and Live .Oak, and at FM 78 and Live Oak Road. David Allen remarked 'permission had been granted originally for the signs because Sycamore Creek was having trouble renting the apartments.. Mr. Allen also stated that for some reason he did not think their original .request had come through Planning and Zoning. Merwin Willman commented he had looked through all his minutes and couldn't find anything. Vice-Chairman-Andrews informed the Commission that. Sycamore Creek is presently 82% occupied and that in September and October their occupancy had been as high as 92%. There was discussion about the fact that approval for other signs, especially those advertising a subdivision, was only granted until the subdivision reached 75% occupancy. David Allen commented we have never given this type of leeway to other advertising signs and maybe it's time Sycamore Creek stood on their own feet and took the signs down. Ty Brisgill said he agreed with David Allen, but did .point out that the 75% buildout factor in a subdivision applies to a permanent structure. Merwin Willman stated he didn't see where the signs are that much help. David Allen asked how the Commission would feel about givirrg a 90 day terminal extension. Merwin Willman replied if they are up to 82% occupancy, he didn't see where the signs are benefitting them. Vice-Chairman Andrews responded to that statement by saying any sign is a benefit. There was some discussion about the signs out front of the Sycamore Creek Apartments. ~2) Vice-Chairman Andrews asked how about denying the request and giving them 60 days to take: down the signs. Ty Brisgill asked if that isn't circumventing and also asked if that isn't giving them a variance. After more discussion on the length of time they should be given to take down the signs,-David Allen made a motion to deny the request from Sycamore Creek Apart- ments for an extension of time on three advertising signs and to instruct Sycamore Creek to remove the signs no later than January 15, 1987. Merwin Willman seconded the motion and the vote was unanimous in favor. Motion carried. #6 GENERAL DISCUSSION Vice-Chairman Andrews noted that one application for the vacancy on the Planning and Zoning Commission has been received. After some discussion, the concensus among the Commission was that they would like to see the applicants at the regular meeting scheduled for January 27, 1987. Vice-Chairman Andrews asked that copies of all applications be put in the package for January 1:3, 1987. Merwin Willman commented on the following signs: (1) Sign advertising rental of backhoe still there at the corner of FM 78 and First Street across from the Shoe Repair. Mr. Willman feels someone should be able to take it down. (2) Advertisement for washer and dryer service on a sign near Pecan Grove Mobile Home Park. (3) At Precast on IH.35, there appears to be an antenna. on top of the equipment - is there a permit and how-high is the antenna? (4) E1 Cue and True Performance both have signs with blinking lights. In reference to the sign at True Performance, David Allen observed that when going over the railroad tracks, you see the sign before you see the traffic light. Merwin Willman commented he thought we had an ordinance regarding the prohibiting of large commercial vehicles on City streets unless they are delivering or picking up, but he could not find such an ordinance. Mr. Willman felt we should ask City Council to come up with an ordinance limiting these vehicles. David Allen remarked that travel trailers, motor homes, etc. should be looked into also. David Allen mentioned he would like to see the City Comprehensive Plan which was referred to in the motion denying the Specific Use Permit .for New Creation Christian Fellowship. (3) 1 Ty Brisgill remarked on several items: (1) He asked Steve Simonson if any letters had been sent to developers along FM 3009 informing them their bandit signs are supposed to be spaced 500 feet apart. Steve Simonson replied he had called several of them. (2) Asked if there had been any inspectors working on Saturdays and Steve Simonson replied he did not know. (3) Made the observation that the low water crossing across the'Cibolo Creek has no reflectors and considered this a safety hazard. (4) Asked if the guardrail on Dimrock had been inspected noting it doesn't match the continuity of the subdivision. (5) .Asked if-Mr. Gilmore had heard anything from the legal department on whether or not building permits on additional sections of subdivisions can be .legally stopped if the first section isn't accepted. Steve Simonson replied Mr. Gilmore had-been informed it is legal, but it would take litigation. (6) Asked if a developer, in particular Barshop, doesn't build anything within six months after the preliminary plat is approved, do they have to refile the preliminary plat: Steve Simonson replied yes they do have to refile, but Barshop has a final plat. Vice-Chairman .Andrews commented on the channel built into the road in front of Thistle Creek and all the water that flows from it. There was more discussion on large vehicles, on garbage trucks driving down the middle of the road, on people working on vehicles parked in the street and on cars parked in violation. Steve Simonson asked the Commission for their help on a question that has come up a lot lately regarding people wanting to put mobile homes in the newly annexed Schermerville area. -Mr. Simonson said they all own acreage, they all are on septic tanks,`and some claim it is a modular home rather than a mobile home they will be locating there. Steve Simonson asked if we are going to enforce this the same as we do in the City. David Allen said he thought we had agreed that if the running gear is removed, it is no longer a mobile home. Vice-Chairman Andrews had brought in some specifications from HUD and there was 'discussion on these specifications and the current Mobile Home Ordinance in regard to permanent and non-permanent foundations. Merwin Willman ,commented we need to get something down in writing for future reference. Merwin Willman said probably a lot of that area is in the noise zone, but several members pointed out that usually the modular homes are well insulated. Vic3-Chairman Andrews asked if any of the Schermerville area is in the.floodplain. Steve Simonson replied "Woman Hollering Creek" and several other areas are.. David Allen warned the Commission members that if they receive a call for donations from an organization calling itself the Benevolent Order of Police, there is no (4) such organization. #10 ADJOURNMENT Uice-Chairman Andrews adjourned the meeting at 8:41 P.M. The next regularly scheduled meeting is January 13, 1987. i (5)