03-24-1987 PLANNING AND Z C:IN I NC; M I NUTk:S
The Sc=h~r• t z P 1 ann i ng and Zvn i ng C;:~mrn i as i an c:cnvar~ad i n a r•er~u 1 ar• .
sc:~=-~~.i an an l°ue~day, Irl~r••ch ~'4, iS+C37' a t 7:OC) P. M. i n the Mun i c i ~?al
Carne i e:~ Can fer•enaL Rr~am, 1 QUO Live Oak Road . Thc~~e pr•e~:~en t war•~-~
a~> fol 1 ari~~~:
F'L.ANN I NG v ZClt~1 I NC; CC1M1`9I SS I ON Ol••MERS PfdESC:NT
"1"HOI`1AS YARL I NG, CHAIRMAN 1[:.71=+F1.7 T . C001•~, G(~H>wl~ •1" Z
GCIk: ANC)RE.W5, V I C:E-•••GHA I Rh1AN F I R5l° GAPT T 51•' CHURCH
M~RWIN. WI;I_1_MAN MARY A. MARSH
TY ErRISGI:i_.1.... CEf~VAS MEINZE:F;, S`I'•. PAUL..
DAVID AI..1_.EN CI~lIJRGH _ :C ~:C.al.._CJ
Kk~:ITF-f VAN DING: DARWIN PEE~hC
F<FN C7(~I~FNWAI_0, COUNCILMAN R(::IE.~RT I._. HAI._l.
JLICIY SCHI`1IC)"f
MF~MI:~FRS AC^~aLN•r
JA!"fE".S 1-•IAF~1':)EN, SlrCF~E:I•~ARY
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NtJR1KA AL•rH(:11.10F, iZF.Cai~RC:) I NG SEC ` Y .
#1 CALL,. 7'•CJ ORC)t~:F~
Chia i r•rnar-r Yar• 1 i rig ca 1 1 ed the meet i rig to ar-•der• at 7': DC) F' . M.
AI'P'>,OVAI_ OF 1''IINI.J•1°1~5: Rr:a~~ular• Se~~ivn March 1t?, iri~~37
Ecal:~ Andr••ea~S±~ carnrnr:"ar••~tec7 that an Page 2, f i r•~~t ~er~iterrc~:~ i n ti°~e nE~::::t
tv 1 •:.~•st ~7ar-a~~r.~Ph, file ~~rards "vv~r 1 ay d i ~L-r• i;~t" ~hau 1 d be ~~i7 3nged
tc~ read "Sign Or•d i r7anc::e" .
E,at~ Andr-rairs ai su ask~_~c:1 the reaar~•d i ng secr•etar•y tc:? ver• i fy tt•rat
tt~e~e rn i nu tes ar•e i n the rnernar•y bank of tine c~arnpu tr~r• .
E•al::, Ar~drei1~~r cn.-ade a mc7t i an to a~iPr•avEA the rn i r~~.+te~:., a~} arn~.~ryd~•.~d, far
the r•egu 1 ar ~~:a•~s i on Mar"•c•~h 1 Q, 1 `•~37, tlerri i n W i 1 1 rnan =~;=rc~nd;~d •i;1••re
rncyt i are ar~d tt•re vate t=~a{:a unary i rnau~:, i n favar•. IYiot i ari car••r• i ed.
#3 I T I Zi~i~lS' I NI'U r O°I"1iF.R rr1AN AC~xI=. NDA I'1"s~MS
Th~:~r•e ~=~a~> name.
#t4~ C:ONSI:DFC; AND TAt<E:: APf'T~tCIF'FIIA`i•E:: AC:;I l:C:)I'~I: St. Paul United
Churt~h of . C;hr i st ilegur~~st far• Sign
V~:?r: i aric~e
ftev~~r•~*r-~d Cf~r•vas t•1~=in~zer• ll~as at the rn,~a5tin~~ to r•:~~;r.;~,~;~nt St. Paul
l.lr~ i tEFri C:h;..+r°•ci; car Chr• i ~;t.
Chalr•rnari Yar•1 ing asked Steve Simonson far• Staff input. Mr•: _
S i morison said a perm i t had taeen i <.~sued based vn drawings
aubrn i tted, but ~=rheri the i nsF?ect i an depar•trnent r=lent tc? chec.~•k an
tfiie sign ti~iey d i scvve~r•ed trier-e had been an er•r•r~r• - there was nr~t
1UU feet separdt i ctrl laetween this ~ i gn acid ;oti-ier• s i gris i n the carne
i rnrned i ate area. tS i gn i s 1 oca ted vn the 1 vt of Q.L. n i et.~ betwt~en
Chur•ct~i' s C:I-r i ckc=n sign and Gernc:r•a f t s i gri an sautri side of FM 7>:1
afiapr•o:::: i rnatel y ane City b1 vck List of intersection of FM :3tJU9. )
T~hir"a i nspec:t i an depar•tmerit i nfar•rnecl th•ie Church of ttie er••r^ar• grid as
a r•esu i t tFie Church app 1 i ed fvr this var• i arir._e.
Cha i r•rnan Yar• 1 ing asked i f he was cvr•r•ect i n understanding :a
permit ttad been issued and Steve S i rnvnson said that i=ras cvr•ri~ct
tl°ie s l gn has, been up far abaut tr=ra r=re>~a!-~s.
slob Andrei=ts remarked t.ti>? sign i s sguee::•c~d i n bete=~~~en ti=rv vther•r~
grid ~a7V i d Al 1 en addeaci that i s so, and as a r•esr.al t i t makes i t
difficult tv see tfiie sign .
Erc~1-i Aridr•er=rs nat~~c.# tP•iat at the erid of the ty~?ed letter from O.L...
0 i r3 t ~ granting the Cl-?urc:h perm i ~~s i ~.Jn to put the sign vn i~ i
pr~•aper•ty, tl~ier•e i s a I-rar~id t=ar• i tteri message giving tl-ierii per•rri i ss i an
fvr two years acrd arsl,r~d if that also was ivr•itt~~an by 17.1_. Oii~t~_.
S~1: ~~ve S i rncir•iscari ver• i f i ec1 tl-ia t i t t=sac, i=rr i t tPri t:,y U.L. Ci i et z.
Mari=a i n W i 1 1 rnan po i ri¢~ed out ti~iat the ordinance r•e~:iu i r•i:~rs a 1U0 feat
Cf:•~l::~~•~r•a t i ari bete=seen b i l l baards, th"i~a t ti°. i s s i gri i s i ri v i al at i ors,
a rid t{7at it iuould not cr•~~ate a hari:ship far thorn nr:a~l; to fiiavta ti•ie
" s i gri there.
Errata F~ndr~•ea-l~;, i nrar..i i r~•ed acs to i=rhethe; • all ti°ir•cae s i gr-. c; near=r i n that
i r:ar-a t i an are on the Dietz property and `~teve i rrirancso~-7 r•r~j.a 1 i ~ar~ yr~s
T~y Er~• i sy i 1 1 cornmeri t~~~d he agreed i=r i tl-i Mer~•i=a i n lr! i 1 1 rnan .
Cha i r•rnan Yar• 1 i rig aslted {reverend M>? i n: er i f ti° !'7ad 1 vokc3d for .an
alte;.r.iate lac_atian far• ttie sign.
Re±vc~r•~~rid Mein: far i nfar-rnec.{ th~~ C:arnrn i ss i c,ri the sign i=r~js a gift to
tine Church from tJ.!_. Dietz and i t ser~rn~~~d aplar•apr• i a_te friar ti°iern to
1 cac:ate i t an his pr•aper•t-y. ~iever~~nd M~~ i nzer• adrn i ttea:i ti-gat neat
hav i ny the sign i s riot a iiar-r3hh i p, taut ti7e s i ~~n i s a i=r.ay raf
1 ett i r•ig pea~.il ca knarxr thca C:hur-ci'~ i s tl-iFxr•e.
David Al 1 en a shed how the p:~r•rn i t t=ras issued and :3ti:?ve 5 { mrarisran
s<::i i d based ciri ciraijr i rigs. D~~v i d Al 1 E_'ri ttic=;-i asked harm tt~ie errar• r=ras
- d i st.overed avid S trove S i rnrJrisan said tUi'irsfl the i nsyJ~=r_ t i c?n r:i~p.~r• ~Lrnen t
~a!~~r~ c. tci dc~r..ihi e c:Fiec:k ar? the s i gri aster i t Had becar'i put up. Uav i d
t~l i :gin then said he tfiiough t .ask i n~~ tide Church to takes dial=rn the
s i cjri i=aau 1 cl i rn~;ci~:,eh a tiar•dsti i p ari t{-iern s i ncr~ a pcrr•rn i t had a l r-•~ady
tJi.?!~:'n 1 r:iS~..a;-?d ~9rid ti1~3t t'1? t=Jraul d {J t? i n f ~vC.?r raf r~r:3iit i n~~ ~:;ti^rn a
var^ i Earrce far• tr=ra y,*=G-ai-••s.
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f<e i th Van Cy i ne asked ilrha the nar•rna 1 pr•acedur•e i s and Steve
Ci i rnonsnn = 5a i d the i nspec tars. go by the p 1 ans and drawings ~th~'i:
ar-e suFrrn i ttecl and then ga out and check after- cor?str-ur..t i arr
starts.
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TI-rere r=ras a br• i of d i scuss i an an whether• or• riot tl-te i nspect i art
depar• trnen t !eras da i ng the i r• ,job corr•e~ t 1 y,
BcrF~ Andre!=rs ccarnrnented the i nsC.!ect i an departrnerit did aG:, they ar•e
s!.rpposed to do and compared this •s i tuat i an to that of McKinney
Haines when they d i scover•ed Borne encr•oachmerrt i nta the setback
r•equ i r•ernent and carne i n .and asked far• a var i anr'e.
Kiwi i tl-r Varr D i r?e r-e=~~tortded to that Fry s>ay i ng ttter-~M i no carnpar- i scyn
between rnov i ng a sign ar~d rnov i ng a hnrne. •
C;i--~a i r•rnan Yar• 1 i ng r•ern i rrdec~f the Cornrn i ss i ar•r they are r•ean^ i t i ng tP~re
Sign Ctr°•d i Hance fnr the purpose of not c 1 u t ter• i ng the City. t'Ir•-• .
Y~ar-1 i r?g said i t `s up to thern to either enforce tt~te or•d i riarrce ar•
not, but i f var• i ar~tces are gr•ar~ted an everyti~ i n~~, tic?n ti'tiey rn i gi-~r t
a~:, well tl••!ra!=r out the crr•di~ance. Chair•rnarr Yar-1 ing fur•tl'~tc.~r add~•-c]
he did not think r•r::rnov i ng t1.7e sign was a rL=~a 1 f i r7anc i ] ~,r i s i s
far tFie Chur•ct'~.
Mer~•!•r i n W i 1 1 rnar~r r•ernarked tine Chur•cl_r had been there far• rnar~,y yerrr-=
and questioned the r•!eed for a sign na!;r.
`ft'rer•e !lra~i surrte fur•ti°rer'- d i sr_'t..tss i ern about ti~~ie s i ~ e of tl-re s i grt i n
c~nmpar- i son to tl•ie s i e of b i l l boards, ai:~rau t art~t~ th~'~r• ,~r• riot i t` s
i rr ti••r+~:~ aver•1 ay d i ~:,tr• i ct, and r=rhether• ar~• Wert i t !=ra!.a l d rnake a
d i f fer•enc:e i f ti~2 sign !{r:as rnc3 i ni;a i Wed i n grand t:-r~nr~ i t i r.,n ',.?y tt~r:~
a!x!r,er-.
C;f7a i rrrrar, Yar• 1 i ng po i rlter_] out tc., RE;ver•er!ci Mein: er-• tl•iat part: of tl~?e
r•~~asnn frar• setting !.rp tl°ti Sign Clyd i nan~~¢ arcs that we t~rr~u 1 itot
h~:rve i n Cic:i-iert~ ar,atf!er• F'at E:oaker• Ftoa>;; 1 i ke i n lJn i ves~•=.;a1 C; i ty.
Cha i rrnan Yar-1 i r7g !Lrent nn to say he was rant i ck i ng on tt7r~
C;i-r!..trct-, ' s i gr! i n par t i c!..! 1 ar•, but hc_~ c] i d say tl°ia t G, i 1 sign=> i ri the
City !xr i 1 1 i~rave to c..ornp 1 y to ti•rL ~:~r•d i nar-rr::e !xr i th i n ti-rr-•::~ye yi:~•:~rs.
ME:~r•!~r i r-~ W i 1 1 mart rnarcl~: a rnCit i arE to c9 i sapF~r•ave tt•re r•ec,!..tE_ds:~-t: fr•arn Cit.
t':~,-~ 1 IJn i ted Church of Christ for a sign var• i anr_e becau~~ti i t dr~r.-.~•~,
nc:rt rne~::~t the req!..t i rernent~; crf ti-re Ci i gri Clyd i narice. Nie i tl~l Van Ca i rie
~~t~t:~c_u7dr~d •i:t'te rnot i ~~n •a,~!d tht~ vote !;ras as fn1 l r:~!;rs:
Aye~:~: T. Yar• 1 i rig, E.. Ar?dr-c.,11as, M. W i 1 1 m~,n, T. E.r i sg i 1 1 , E. Van
l~ir~~
h{ays:~: C). F~1 1 en
rabster7t i nips: IVor-te
Mcr-L" i art car•r• i ecf .
C;ha i r-rnan Yar 1 i ng i nfar•rneci Fteve;~•errc:i Me i rt.~er- i-re 1';a<.:.; tl-re r• i gi-tt to
~;:ij:ai:?~ 1 .~i~e Ccarnrn i s:as i ~.:+n's . ~.~ec i s i on to City Ca!.rt i 1 .
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11:~ CC1NS ]:DEF! ANC7 TAFCE. AP1='htOPft T AT•E. ACT T OIV: F i r•st Eap t i st C:hur•ch
(~equ>:~st for• S i can Var• i ance -
Ftr..rher•t J. Ccrok r+Ja~'~ at ~ tl-r~~ rne~eting to r•errr•e~:,errt the Scl°rer•tz First
E.apt ist Chur4.h.
Gh~•air•rnarr Yar•1 ing asked for-• St~-aff inpr..rt. Steve Sirncanc~or•r said i~1r•.
Cor.~k tiad bc~can i n fcar•rnc~d of the ovi:r-1 ay d i str• i c t and had b>en g i vr~n
a :.carry of the card i nanc:e.
RcJber• t J . Caok said ttrey ar•e request i ng a d i r•ec t. i ~ona 1 -sign t to be
placed near the nor•th~ast corner of Fh4 .30p9 and Elbel Ro<~d can
pr••o~er• ty nr+Jrred by C) gr. E. Ja i nt Venter-e) i rt or•der• to tel 1 pear; l e
r~Jhere ti'aey ar•.~. ivir•. Cook •:~a i d they have •i;hn i:aer•rn i ss i on of t1~rr~
land craJn~!r'•.
Cha i r•rnarr YC~r~ l i nc~ askead i f t!-r i s fa l 1 s i n ti-r~~ aver'• l ay c7 i str• i c t and
Steve S i rncanson ~~.,a i d yes i t does and i t r+rou l d late advr~r t i s i ng a
1 c:rc::at i can cJ{'f ti~re pr•ern i ses.
hl~:!r•r+J i t-t W i l l rnr•~n nratrad this s i grr i s rrcat a±Ji;liar• i z~~d i n ti•rr'_~ rrv~!r•1 ay
d i str• i r~ t iay tFze Over• 1 ay Ord i r~anc>?.
Ercrl::r Andrea+J=_~ cornrn~:!rrted i+Je have tt~re s i we od' ti'~~a i grr Vii' } n but
asked Roiaer• t i.:,r'aok wi-ra t i t a+u:au 1 d lata rnoun ted ian . Mr . Cook r•a~p 1 i >:~d
arr to+Jn tom) males. E:rctb Andrea=J~; ti-rr:!r'r ~-~skc+d FZc,taer•t Cvuk hnr+J brig he
a+Jai-rt~:d the sign ~.Jp and Mr•. Coak r•t:~p1 i ed i rldi=f i n i tr,~l y.
Ty E~r• i sct i l l statr:xc~i he once again agr•ec~d a+~ i tl-t Mer•a+J i n W i 1 1 roan our•
r::Jrd I I'lciflr•t? pr•~~c 1 a.ar_9a:~s this sign ar•rd a+Ja? nes,d ti.~ 'ray= c=ans i str:~r7t.
David Allr::~rt r'•e;rr~:rrr•keca, thai; in ail fair•nes~.~s<:.~:, rte:~+ alsca has tea agree=.
D.~v i d Al 1 en rn~~~rle a root i an to d i <.:~ai:apr-•ove ti7e r-~aa:lr.Ji?st fr•orn ;:a~:i~rer•t~
F i r•st Esart'L- i st C~riurcl-i far• a s iarr var'• i arrce~ b~~c:rra.J~a~~ i t ciae.~:~ oat rrreet
the rr~quirf~rnents of ti••re Special (~vL_r•lay Dis~_r•ir:_t (yr•ticlt= XIX,
Serc_ L i r.,rr Par•agr•~arrt•r 2.::! to } crf the ~.~rn i ng C?r•d i naric:e) . Mer•aa i n
~J i 1 1 roan <seconded ti'ie snot i ran and tha= vote a+Jas as fol 1 i~a+JS:
Ayc::!;~: E:. Aridr~e~!a+JS, h1. t"! i l l roan, T. E:r• i sg i 1 1 , L:). Al l err, E<. Vart D i nrw,
mays: iVone
Ab~:,terrt i ans: T. Yar• 1 i ng
t~iot i can ~.~<.-ar••r• i rr•~d.
Gt~t~a ir-rn~arr Yard i ng i n•For•rned Mr•. Cocak he Has tyre r• i gi-rt tca a(rpe~ai tt-iE,
Carnrn i s i on `s decision to City Counc i 1 .
~~E., C:C:)iu87C)E:~~; AhaC) "I~At<E:: APC~'I~CIf'F~1:AT~E: AC•l 1:UC!„ Rcalr~:!r'•t ~ L.. Hall
i?ega.Jt~st to Locate fi~lc~ta i 1 e 1-lorn.c i n is i ndy
Acr•e~', SiJE•Jn i v i i arr
t~ir• . i~catar;r• t ;-1a 1 1 a+Jas pr••~:~sr=n t a t ti7~= rni:~et i n!3 .
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Gha i r•rnari Yar• 1 i ng asked far• Staff input and Steve S i rnan~.,an sa i d
there were no Staff r_arnrn~n ts. Mr. S i rnansc~n did paint out th:~ t
Mr• . Ha 1 1 had pr•av i ded us with a 1 1 the Ong i neer•ed docurner~t is anti
the per•cal a t i an test resu.l ts.
Rc~t:,er• t Ha 1 1 i nfar~•rned the Garnrn i ss i an he t=r i sties tc7 put a rnub i l e
t~~orn>= an •the pr•aper•ty at this time .but eventual 1 y plans to char7ye
to a thrr•ee bedr•oarn harne, and tte need~a appr•aval an sarneth i ng sc:, he
r_an yet water.
Ere~b Andr-et=rs cornpl i rnented lyr•. Hal 1 can the package he had provided
and asked him what type of faundatian he plans an putting t.rnder•
the tnat~ile home, Mr•. Ha11 reel ied he tra~;n't sure but he had some
cancr•et>= blacks he could use fcir that pur•pase:
T~y Gr• i sg i 1 1 asked I`1r•. t-la1 1 i f tae pl anrred an put~i: i ng dat=rn a pad
and Mr•. Ha 1 1 r•ep 1 i ed nay and ar7r_e a,~a i n str•r~t.:;sed tae didn't than t to
rn~::?ke ti-;e rnoka i 1 e harne a F.?errnaner~t structure. Mr•. Hal 1 did c•:ay,
i•~awsver•, he tirou 1 d ~:arnp 1 y with t=rhatever• r••r-~yu 1 at i ans ar•e r•-r:~r1u i r•r~d.
F~~:ar•t Gr•eent=±a1d carnrn~-anted that depending or~, the d~>al er~• t•th~~r•e yot..a'r•e
buying the rnob i 1 e i-;arne, <..~arne of them da aet ti•~r~rn t.ap.
D~7v i d Al 1 er, ask~}d Mr•. Ha1 1 i f he hacS any k i rtd of a t i rne~ fr•ari,e and
t~ir• . Ha 1 1 rep 1 i ed i~ae did r~~~rt .
h1Er_~r-ti~ i n W i 1 1 rnari a~sl~4ecS Robr~r•t Ha 1 1 tisher~•e hey t=rou l d be getting tt i
water and h1r . Ha 1 1 r• =p 1 i ed i t rased to be a~,h:~:-_ fer• Fyu t i s nt:;t=a
tF-~rc,uyh tt•tr~~ City of Sci•7ert~.
At this time h1r• . Ha 1 1 rn~.~n'l: i oned sever•a 1 ti~, i r?c~s:s acc-:ur••r~ i nc~ i ri tai s
area that he feels ar•e ,gat i n ~.arnp 1 i ar7~:e tir i ti"t Sr:i'~r::rt,~ ar•d i n,:ar~rW~xt~.a
(a ? net=~ s i grrs for'• a brake=.si~~,crp
tb) a r•e~, i dent t=~ i tt, tor::, rnar,y ar, i rnal s trn i gi~~it a::, titel 1 b~~ r•ur•tri i ng a
i,~:~r•tnel )
(c) a tot=t i ng bras i n~~ss tt=r i 1 1 tur•rt i nta a junkya><•d )
Ci~ia i r-rnan Yar• 1 i ny adv i ,;,e,~ t~ir• . Ha 1 1 we nr~~ed to keep ran tt•ti~ sr.;ia ~~ac .k
at har~td tirhict; is ttie a;:rF:,r-aval for• a rnok~ile harne acrd sr.;gc~E~~.ated 1"ir~•.
I~~a 1 1 ~:arne to City Ccx~r~tc i 1 acrd va i h i ~_ornp 1 a i r~ ~i:s on ~,•i~e
afc:,r•ernc~r,t iarr~~c1 rnatter~,.
-fy E:;r• i sg i 1 1 asked far~• tt~te e:>~-act 1 Deaf i can' of tF~e pr•apc~r•ty a+-;ci I`'Ir~.
Ha 1 1 deocr• i i.•sed tt~~e 1 acat i on (,a awtr-. E~r• i sg i 1 1 .
Ctra i r•rnart Yar~• 1 i ng a~,k~~d hot=3 tP-,~:~ praper-ty i a crar•ren t i y : c:rr,ed and
S•i:z~ve S i rrransan i n far••rnzxd h i rn i t i s I~'Q.
Div i d Al 1 ert made a rnc•?t i ari tc, appr•caye tt;~~ r•ecit.aest f-r•arn Rc.7t;er-•t L_.
Hai 1 to 1 aca to a tiir•c~e br:~drr~r~rn rnaFi i 1 e F~arne ~.~n Tr•ack 17; GJ i nr:iy
Acre-~. Subd i v i i cirr, Ar•a, Ada Rcaad. l'y E:r• i ~~y i 1 1 sc~rw:c:,nc:i~~ci -L I-;~a rnot i ari
arrd~ •i:F7e vate taas unan i rno~..a~ i n favor. lyric i 1~n t: •~r•r• i ~:e~i.
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Mer•w i rr W i l l roar; asked i f t=re ~1-;c?u l dri' t have surne kind of rf~f i c i a 1
r•er.or•d of W i r~;dy Acres Subd i v i ~ i on and Sl;~ve S i rnonsr~n said we ar-e
re~;earch i ng i t.
E,c:;L; Ancir•er=ts asked Rcat;~~r~•t F-lal 1 i f he h;ad a t:;l at ar?d I"Ir~•. Hal 1 ~',a i d
he thought one of the or• i g i na 1 oi~mers did. 13rab Andre;•rs said i t
wcau 1 d b~ a big help to u5 i f he cc;u 1 d pr•ov i de one.
Ci-ra i r•man Yar• 1 i rig thanked' ,Robert Fia 1 1 for• his t i roe.
#t7' C:C)NSIDE:R AND TAFCE: APPRCIF'RIAI°E ACl°7:UNd Pr•el irninar•y Flat
Appr•aval - Parkway Square, Unit. 1 (Job
No . 2~Gi'9. 0 i. }
1"hero ;;ras r7o one at the rneeting to r•r~pr•esent I'arktd~aY ;•aquar•e.
I`1e:~r~;•~ir; Willrnari asked if this is a peel irninar•y plat, saying ali it
sho;ars i s a r•c:aad, no tar..;ur;dar• i es and no i nfor•rnat i on. Steve
S i root;sc?n said they ar•e platting just the road and ti-;cry t=~arrt to
get i t i n wi•7en the Scherf:~ Par•kc~ray i s bu i 1 t.
E~r::;t:; Anrlr•ei}rs not.ecl that: can Page 9 caf ttie Sitt;d i v i s i an Qr-d i nar;c_'e al 1
the i nfor•rna t i on i 5 listed that a pre t i rn i r7ar•y plat i s s;..ilalao yr~3d 4:0
c c:a r°; t a i r7 .
1"I';er•e t=ta:=, a t;r i ef- d i c,r~.~ss~> i on c;r; ;bih,:~t i nfc;r•rnC~'L- i on s~i~~;c;ul d r.;e
c:.or•ita i ned on a ;.-.,r•el i rn i raar•y plat.
Cha i rrn:~n Yar• 1 i ng asl-ced i f tY~;ere ar•e ar;y tec.l°.n i ca 1 pr•ot:; l Ern~~ and
Steve S i rnor7son said no - ti7a ~:..or7str•~.~c: t i can p 1 <~ns iaave gc:an:~ to ti~~e
City E:r;C,r i rie:~r;:~~r~• ar~;ci to tl°ie Wat~~r•/Waste Wat~:~r~• ar;d Streets and Parks
Detaar• trrt~3r7 t s.
ChG:; i r•rnan Ya~~'• 1 i ng a~at:e d i f iA~e Carr put apF;rova l on tl-ie road canl y
and ;-~f:~v~= S i rnor~son said he tl~i~:a;.ayi7 t iA}F~ ~:ou 1 d bf3ca~..rs:~e this i s on 1 y
tl'~;e prel i rr; i r°~ar-Y plat.
Dr~v i d Al 1 er; cc;rnrner;ter_i thiey ar•E:~ not st-~o;tr i ng ti'ie r•el at i onsh i p of
the r•c:aad 'Lo .any ut:her tar•caper•'•~t.y.
Bcat:; Ar'rr_:ir•~'i~Jrs said the peel i rn i nary sari kre apps°•ovc_~r..i ;=s i ti°; tl°;e cav~G~~t:
that ever-yti'i i ng be on the f i na 1 plat, but !ve rjo ne;~d to see ti'af~
fir;al plat within si::<: rnc.;nthc;.
Steve S i rr;or;~~car; e;<:1-;1 a i tied i t F'; i ur;d~ar•c;~i:arrd i ng •t;P';at. evc:i~•ytF~ i i ~g
has to tae on i t be ~'or•e tiae f i na 1 p 1 a t i s appr.o,f,-3d ,
Fir::; i tl-i Van Dine corr,rnen ted then; that barmy i ca 1 1 y tide pr•e 1 i rn i riar•y p 1 a t.
i s a star-t i ng t.~~ i r7t. .
At 1:•er• rnar•e d i scu i can, D~~v i d Al 1 en rn~-ac:iF~~ a mot i cart tc; app;r•ove tt;e
peel i rn i nary p 1 at f-or i'ark;~.ray Srl,..~ar•e, t..ln i t 1 rout i ngent ~._ip~~n
i r.te:.ca~~~•tac:,r•a'l; i or; of al 1 r•ec~ornrner;c:i~,t i cir'rr:, a= or..rt 7 i ned by the City
frog i rar,er <:~nd rj i tY :~tai~f (5~~:~ Atl:a~ta~=d ? . 1=~~:ab An~~r-;_31sr:~ sec~c_~.r7dt~~~ 1~ii~_
rnC;'t; t tar"t ar1C:1 tI`iE?' ~~Ct'~:~F: t•J~t; Llncir'i I rRQLlC:i I r; •(~aVClr•. I"IQt I Ctrl C:~.''1'`' I ed.
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At this time the C:amrn i s5 i an teal-i. a sttcrr•t break.
#8 CONaTOLR AIVD t'IAI~E R#=.CCII~i~EIVOA•TICl1V: Sign C1r•dinarti:,e (Variartr°°es
i n Relation to S i gri CJr•d i nancc±
Tite Carnrn i ss i nn rnernber•s r••Av i Lan=d the= 7 i gn Or•d i n:~nr_e and rnade the i r•
s!..IC,~c1e~;t i ans and r•ecamrirendat i oris.
l"hte rnc-i i n ar••eas ~ of ccancer•ri were tttaG>e that dea 1 with the
v i s i b i 1 i ty tr• i ang 1 Q, the for•rnu 1 a fcrr• se1•ibac:l~s, height, nurnber• cif
signs, and par• tab 1 e s i C~r•is.
#9 CC1hISIC)C:R AMID MAF~E~' RE:COMMCNDAI"XC11V: Sate1 1 i to Dish Or•t~ i nailc•e
~,ab Artdr•e!•,s c~-~rnrnerttc~d ile had asl~ed frr• this to be I:aut r~3n ~L"ha=
. agenda.
l"here was sctrne d i scuss i can ~;t:rc-,ut ari i tern i n the "rani i ng 1~u1 1 et i n"
!•~h i `h referred ta. ar:-;.:.e:~~-~~~r•y i.~;r.~;-~s and whr~tl•ter• car nat ti•ie r:9ec i s i ~~n
rear-hecl a~a~,1 i ed to ttte C: i ty crf Sct~ier•t .
'1"ile City of S<•_i-i;~rtz Znrt i ng Clr•d i nartc-e I•tas e i~r_f i n i t i a:an within 's t'
cc:rriten t~; far~• a satel 1 i to d i stt anti E:al:; Aric:ir•e!•,G sa i a::i, i n h i s
rip i n i an, i t silau l d be str•i..a~:k fr•c~rn ti~te r~;r•d i n~artce i.~er_<~use thee? i s
ari FCC rule tl~iat ~arE~~~rn~itc> 1 acal ari i ng 1 a!Aa_:; ag~a i nG;t satel 1 i to
d i :~1•tes.
~'I"1f_)r•e l+fa~; 5afne d I aC:u=..;~ 1 an all tl'"i I s acid ~itE"-`Ye ~:i i rnanSan II.gC~E'~:;tE`i:a
~ 1 eav i ng ti~te def i n i t i ran i n as i s !.,n t i t s~.~rneurte cha 1 1 enges i t.
E;ca~::a Ar'1drE'i+!~:; `ti3 i d he I"ic'~~'; r'es('r''v~it I Ora~i I tl"1 tf'la t be`c.as.a aE~:` Fi!']~i5a I b 1 y
1~y fire time sr.?rnc~ane i::hal 1 x~ngr~s i t i n the fut!.~r"•e, nc~l°ie of ti-ie
rnE:"•riil.',E`r''~i 1+111a I+JE?I''•E.a G', I'1 triE:~ Cnrnrn i s~., 1 Girt l+!~'le.t"i tl"le d£_`{' i ri i t i C;n a~a1°_ii aCiC:~C::'~
to tha= car••d i nanr~"e w i 1 1 be ara~a~rtd to r°•ern~=rna>=r• ttte ~aur.~a~-,e fr_;r.
ar,;ld i nc~ i t, ar• under•~:;t~ar-ad t!-iGat i f i t's~ cti~-il 1 eriged we're gca i rig to
lSar_k aff. Mr•. Alldr•eara s;~ i d ire !maul d mate to sf~e the C i t-y i n
1 i t i g~~a.t i an beca!.,r,e aac.~ far"•c~at to ci-ias~ige ciur• ar•c1 i nanc:E~~~ artic~~r~ i t
•~~1~tnuld Ilava= br~en r_i•tanc~c:=r~.
Af ter• scrrne fur• t1'ier d i sc:!..Is s i nri i t wa=; clec:: i dec_-i a rraat i ciri SYia!..i 1 cf be
rnade an i t, i:~ut titrare !Eras c,~~rtr:er-n an the e::f~en<ae c,f a i~iabl i
t'ir=r~::ar i rici far• s i rnpl y str- i k i rig a clef i ri i t i ari. fiE•5ri C-;ree,~n!raal d
s!.~ggr}~~r•3d r•~=cc~rnmerid i I•tg G i ty [:;t.,!.~nc i 1 sr~itedu 1 e i t 1 c:~ng a~ i ttt tine
ne;.:t ar•ci i ntartr=e ctiar~gca to cnrii>r:r u~,
>r,c:,ln, Ar,dr•ecrs rnadc~~ a rnc~t i ari try rec:e.,rrirneracl the def i ri i t i nn crf a
Sate11 ire T>alevisEnn Sigrtal 1,~~!:e•rving Dish be i:1>=leted frc?rn tilr:~
Zc:,ra i rrg Ctr-•d i nar-ice anc:i that City Ccaunc i 1 s,r.:taed!..! 1 e i t fc~r• a ~tul:, l i c::
h~~~ar• i rlg a 1 rang tv i th t3°ie rte=:>::t ~.~r-•d i:nanr:.e c_itange to ~:_arnc-~ u~ fc~+r
~t!..It:,l i c~ hear i ng. Thte r•er:acycari fcrr• the di:~1 et i ara be i rig tll~t F"CG R!.al e
1rJ4 .urea:=rri~is 1 ~.~na1 part i rtg 1 t~a,s against ~:~:~to1 1 i to d i ~~'rt~~<.:<
(~~::ytF~1 1 i to d i =xile~; aril y ver ~:us al 1 ariter.iri•_~~. ? David P,1 1 era
,~e~.~c?nd{~~~ tide ritut i ~?n and •Lhe vata? !xr~:ts !.ar~t.~n i rnc~us i n f avc~r• . rv1c~~L" i c:~~n
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SoF:~ ~nclr•ews r•efer•r•ed to an i tern i n the "Zor? i ng Sul 1 et i n"
r•egar•d i ng 1 of ?1? i dth at the iau i 1 d i ng 1 i ne. Mr. Andr•==5ai~ said he
r•~as ,jus>t rnent i an i ng t#'i i s as i=oad for• thought.
GF~a i r•rnar? Yar• 1 i ng said even though tF•?e decision ?;?as rnade i n a
different state, rx?e need to Ise aware of ti-iese tF•? i ngs.
FCen Gr•e~nwa 1 d said, for those who had r7at hr~en ab 1 a to attend,
tF~?er~e c=ias a goad 1 ur?ch at the gr•aund t?reak i ng for• the ScF~?er•t~.
Par•k?•?ay on Tuesday, March 17, 19ir37.
Steve ~ i rnanson said they ar•e e:>?pect i ng to st~+r•t car•?struct i or? on
the i'ar•k?~.iay by t~pr• i 1 1, 1`x'8'7.
DG:?v i d ~1 1 ei-i asked i f iAae` have ar~? aver 1 ay ar•d i r?ar?ce f-or• the park?liay
anti M~+rt*? i n W i l l rnan said y~=s tF7er•e i s a pr~:~pas+.=d one - i t i~:~s rat
bc:yc:~n aF_~pr•avc~ci yet.
ftei°i far•eE~ant+lal d repo?r-ted that the pr•af i t frarn tl-;E~ L i k?rary/h;urnar;e
Sac i e ty ganl:.e and duct i an ?tras X8900. t30.
t~c:~~r~ G.^e~~ri?•iald also r•eF:?ar•ted tF-~at tF~e oiler-ping of ti°.e
ba xeba l i /saf tha 1 1 ~.~easc~n i s t~pr• i 1 11, 198'7. Mr . Green?;~a l d sa i d
sr.:; far ?=~e have teG-~rns frorn Ter<:a~,, Clk 1 ai-;orna, Lc?u i i ana, Geoi^g i a,
1 or• i da and 1 1 i na i s scF~a=du 1 rid tv r~arne i-?ere 'Far taur•n~srn~:~n l:s.
M~:tr~•w i n W i l l rnan r•ern i nded the Cornrn i ss i on rnernber•s they had a l i
r•ece i vwd i n ~ti~re i r• package a list of P 1 ann i i•?g and Zoning rnr~rnF~erC ,
tF•?e i r ~•aridr•e~,t~;~,~; and phc?ne nurnk,er•s, ar~?d i f t!-,er•e ar•~:~ ar•;y r..hange=_~
to let Nar•rna Al tF7au-se knati~.
Me~~r-a•?i r? W i i l man r•ecit..?~~rated that ti-?r=~ pr•apa~>~~c~ S i ngl ~:a f~•arn i 1 y
F~~as i de;~ t i a l /Agr• i 1_u 1 tur•a l q i str• i c t 7.r.~n i ng be il l ac_r3d ran ti•7>? a;:~enr:ic:~
of tF?e~* ne::;t r•eg;..i 1 ar 1 y schedu 1 ed meeting for• d i =,cus{s~:> i or?.
Mer•?~ i n W i l l rnan had ter-ought i n a p i ctur•e of a Syc.arnor•e Cr•~~ek sign,
1 c:;c~ai:.~asi arr•a~~s fr•c?rn ti•~?e C i t?ol a Greek ~F~?armac:y, for al 1 tFie
rnernF.~er•s to se:~ ar~d he si.~gg~:~sted the Cvrnm i ss i an 'think ai~au t
cl-;ang i ng tt-~e or•d i nanc::e to iaih.er•e this :type of s i Gr; i s r•ee~~.i`i r•ed
.a 1 i]rtg i=M 78 i n tha= railroad r• i gi°?t-o4~--?=aay.
M~~i~•c~.~ i r". W i 1 1 rnan carnn~r_~r; ted that new rnernl.;er ~s rie~:-!c'i help i n
darn i l i ar~ i z i ng the~rns;~e 1 vr~s ?=i i th all the il l ann i ny ar~d ;w~::~n i t+g
rE~yul at i or•?s and c=:E3 ner•.;rc; to fur~•rr i.sh tF•?ern sarrt~:~ ciu i drat?ce. i`'lr•.
W i 1 1 rnan suggested we asked City t;acJnc i .1 to apprcapr i to •:~.c:~i~ne rnr~nc~ay .
fc.;r• t1-icy purci-?G?~>>_~ of two t~oakse (i.) C i t i ~.er?' s C•i>r.? i dF~ to Ic?r~~ i ng, grid
t2l Citizen`s Guide to i'lat~;ning. Mr•. Wiilrnan r•r~c:iu~~ste~d that his
sugge ~~~t i ors be p 1 aced ari tt-re ag~rr?da of ti-~~ ne:::t r•ec;u 1 ar• 1 y _
sc:hedc.~ 1 ~sd rnr_=et i i7g ~F~~r• d i scuss i an.
MEN?~•i•; t n W i 1 1 rr;~sr; asked i f sriacii cr.?nc* tr~•ucks havE:~ tct t_~{~ 'I i c~~r?seci ar,c:i
a 1 so i f- they have= to Have a hea 1 th i i`I~f~erv i c:~n . Si;ev~a S i i•ni~n•:~c::;n
s~:? ici he tlaac..~1d ci;f~ck into i t.
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-ray E,r.• i sg i 1 1 asked t=!hat the City's peal icy i s on bandit signs and
Steve S i mor~rson said to enforce the or-d i nanre. -
1"y E~r• i sg i 1 1 ~a i d the bu i 1 der'~;Idevel aper•s ar•e putting up trio rnariy
s i gl~s and a 1 so not sac i ng thern far• enot~gh agar°• t to t_ornpl y t=~ i th
tt'ie ar•d i narice. Mr•. E.r• i sg i 1 1 e:::`pr•e~,~;c~ad his opinion that e i ther• t=!e
en fior•ce the or•d i Hance . ar• do at=ray t~ i th i t.
E•tc:~r•-~ Ct^eE:~rita!a1 d said th~~~ Cot..rnc i 1 had g i verr approval for• arr
i r~~=pector tv. corns i n on a randc!rn basis on t=!eekends to C:iieck i:he
signs.
Steve S i rnonsc~n said f corn the Staff's point caf v i et=i, t=!~ can do
at>~ay tv'r th 'L-he i~ar}d i t s i gr~=.
1"y 6r• i sg i 1 1 asked i f any fines had beers g i veer to v i o1 ator•s.
Stave S i rncan<.~on t.~a i d we t=!r i to tiaern 1 et ter~~ and they bark off i'Car a
t=~F~r i 1 e.
C~r:~v i d Al 1 err r•ecC!rnrrrr~rid~?ci saying i n c 1 r? i< ur"r• tca ti-rE~rn t:hat i f- i t
ha~apLns again, tt7e f' 1 ann i rig and Zon i I-rg Con~rn i ss i on t=! i 1 1 r_«r~~~'I de•_~r•
r•~vetk i ng per-rn i ss i ors to ere~r.-t the barrCl i t s i gnu,.
T t eras rnent i ort~=d a 1 ho ti'~rat Cr:~rnC±r•aft has s i runs on tel c:~pi'ira~~e i7o1 r.~~s
be~~-t:a!er:~rr Sor'r i c and P i ?:°a Hart„
Qaa v i d Al 1 err asFcE~d Steve 4; i rnorisorr i f he:~ ever f o~.lnci ar~lyth i ri g Caut
abo{_!t ti'~e s i ~~n at San Antonio Si'io~+. t'Ir•. S i rnor•7son r•ep 1 i ed i~-rC3
cr-rrirrcyt f i rid arryth i ng i n tFIrF rn i nut~~~~-: tsher•e~ i t t=!a~> ap~:?r•crved car•
s:i i sappy-Dyed. t~7r•. S i r•nonscan fur• ti~7c=r• said he i-rad 17r~y?n g i v>:~n to
ltl"r t'1E?r'Cwtc~r'rd 1 t l+!:"~z:s d 1 C'tC:U~3 ~~!d I I-I l_:1 ty CC]tJrtC 1 1 Arid t+I7~i Crl'~;E?gC]r'• I :'E?d
a traveling sign, ~iut i~ae c.an fit°rd rlta•(;t7 i ng to proof= i t.
Ur_ivid A11en remarked tt'iat t•!e neE~~C7 to rye fair all c!vE~~~r• tl-rC:~ City.
Since l e t ~.~er•s t=!t=r•e {ai~n t to othLr-s tai i th f 1 ash i rig 1 i i~h t<s <:ask i n+~
t1-rtEsti to rE:.~rnc:?ve t!-rC? f 1 ash i rrg 1 i gl-rts, ti-tE~~r..i a 1 etter• s1-r~~.a 1 d bc= se;~; i'L
f:o San Araton i o Si-ioe al .=,o t=! i 'i;h ti-i>? carne rerat.!est, or ask ti-rf'arn t~
cC~rrne i n ar~d reC:st.ae_xt a var• i arrc:e.
5t~r~e S 1 rrrCJri:aC)!"I said he's be i nc~ tc~1 c; they t=!E~r•e gr•ar~tEad a var• i ariC::C?
r_yy i ty Ct:at.!tir i 1 and i'ie doi:~sn' t feel i~7>? i:an go to 'L-i•rern .unt i 1 th<a •t
i-r~:i bE:,t:.:,r..~ prc!vc:d or• cl i =xpr•oved .
C?av i ci Al 1 en r•e i teratec9 h i fee 1 i rigs aFaout .f-a i r•riESS a l l c,ver- tti~~~
G i ty.
fig i ti•'i Var-, Dine said then-e had t!e>:~ry corny= C~ar•rcer•n i n his are<:a
i~r•5C._ause Caf a <s'L-ranger i n ti7e r7L i gi~ii:a~~ri~oc~d. Mr•. Van O i ne tai=nt. Can
tC:r s~-sy 1-rE~ t'iad to 1 kt=~d t=! i th ti-r e; rna i 1 rn~an t=!hcr had a gaocl i de~a ~ l: t
•::,~:~~7rns titer t i n t'rie past tide rn.~ i 1 rn:~n had iaeen a 1 1 c.~twLd i;o r_-al~•r•y a
r•r:,Ci i o i n his vE'i-i i c 1 anci had re~aC:,r• ted si:r=.~i:a i c i clu~a vei'i i c 1 e.~<.::, to ti°iC-'
~a~~l i r~.= and tiers pC~l i r-e had ia~_~yyn •ii~~l e t;o ~~t~~p tiar•y:~?e taur•g 1 :3r• i f;s i n
pt''C:!C".E_~'~:ra. ~ 1 r'rCE_` theri ti'ler's Ytra~~i bE'[`r'i cl C::i'lal"lgf`_~ t I"I ~.1C!5'4rnc1~"itE'!r'':~ a"G
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tf-re Converse Post Off ice and Mr-. Van Dine ~=xanted to kna~x~ i f there
was any <<~ay the City of Schmertz could ask the ~ostrnaster- i f the
- mailman could have a r•adia in his vehicle.
Steve: S i rnorisc~n said hg t`ivu 1 d chick on i t .and' Fien Gr•c~enr=~a 1 d asked
Fie i tri Van Dine to find out i f ti-ie ma i 1 roan has a CE: acrd i f sa,
ther-e rn i gh t i•.~e a pates i b. i 1 i ty he ~::r~u 1 d ~~a 1 1 I~CAC T.
Fi~~ i th Van D •r rtie said the Scl~~~ i r•rner•v i 1 1 ~ dr•~~<~ as~:.rac-i at i ar~i i s butt i ng
out 1 et tees asking rnernbers i f ti•sey tucau 1 d 1 i ke to tie vo 1 un ter~r•
f i r•ef i ghter•s for tF7e City of 8chertz
Keith Van Dine asked who takes care of the ballfield and
cc::~rrrrnei°rted it's i n raugF~ si~?ape. 5t~~ve G i rnc~rF=.;or~ i nf~rr~•rnF~d f'~ i rn ti°?ey
ar•e working on it.
Ghw~ i r•man Yar•1 i ng asked Fien Gr•eer~rx~al d i f he had had an crpT~crr•turi i ty
to br• i ng ~.~p the idea y~:yt to City Crx~nc i 1 of a1 ter•na1:;~s For• tine
P 1 ann i ng and Zoning C:arnrn i ss i ari. Mr•. Grec~niA~al cl =_;a i d i t i s ari thiE
agc~~-ida fvr• the t'iar•~:h 45, 157 Wor•I~shop.
111. i. ADJOLIF~IVi~1C:iWl"
C:hC-r i rrnan Yar•1 i ng ad,jaurned the meet i ng at 5': ~.;E~ P. M.
71•ie ne~::t r•~~gu 1 ar• 1 y schr~du 1 rid meet i ng i s A~r• i 1 14, 1`;~r3~7.
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