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01-26-1993 PLANNING AND ZONING MINUTES E The Schertz Planning and Zoning Commission convened in regular session on Tuesday, January 26, 1993 at 7:00 P.M. in the Municipal Complex conference room, 1400 Schertz Parkway, Schertz, Texas. Those present were as follows: PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION OTHERS PRESENT BOB ANDREWS, CHAIRMAN GEORGE VICK, VICE-CHAIRMAN SERAFIN MARTINEZ OLIVER NELSON, SECRETARY CITY STAFF MERWIN WILLMAN KEITH VAN DINE STEVE SIMONSON, _ BOBBIE VONADA ASST. CITY MANAGER DAVID RICHMOND NORMA ALTHOUSE KEN GREENWALD, COUNCILMAN RECORDING SECRETARY #1 CALL TO ORDER Chairman Andrews called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M. #2 APPROVAL OF MINUTES: public Hearing, Regular Session and Public Meeting January 12, 1993 Bobbie Vonada made a motion to approve the minutes for the public hearing, regular session and public meeting January 12, 1993. George Vick seconded the motion and the vote was as follows: AYES: B. Andrews, G. Vick, O. Nelson, M. Willman, K. Van Dine, B. Vonada NAYS: None ABSTENTIONS: D. Richmond Motion carried. #3 CITIZENS'-INPUT OTHER THAN AGENDA ITEMS There was none. #4 CONSIDER AND MAKE RECOMMENDATION: Development and Growth Plan Update - Utilities (copy attached) Chairman Andrews asked the Commission for ideas. Steve Simonson noted .that he makes reference to the study done by the VISIONS group, and that study .is kept on file in the Planning office. Mr• Simonson further stated that 'after looking over the Utilities, even though at the -last meeting the Commission decided to discuss only water this time, he just included all ~ , . ' ' ~ . of them since the City has :control only over the water. . Chairman Andrews commented that even though, when it's finished, the Plan will only be a synopsis like they've got here, he would like to see, somewhere in the City, one Plan put together as a unit with all the appendices, maps, etc. Steve Simonson affirmed there will be one in the Planning Department. Water Oliver Nelson, referring to the Objective, asked what the second source of water is and was told by Councilman Ken Greenwald the City has considered joining in with Canyon Regional Water Authority. Mr. Greenwald indicated the problem is in moving the water through another system's lines, which in our case would have to be Green Valley, and it is not an approved system. There's a chance of mixing water. Mr. Greenwald then went on to say the City is also looking at New Braunfels water. Looking long-range and depending on the outcome of the Edwards District lawsuit, the EPA, and the Sierra Club, we could be in dire straits for water. George Vick asked if Schertz is part of the Edwards Underground District and Councilman Ken Greenwald replied no, we are considered just a transporter. George Vick asked if the City doesn't have wells and was told by Councilman Ken Greenwald they have four. There was some discussion about the size of the wells and the quality of water therein. Oliver Nelson asked if he understands correctly that Schertz has four wells pumping water from the Edwards Aquifer, but is not -part of the Edwards District and if they want to put a~ limit on the amount of water we pump, they could. Mr. Nelson was informed that is correct. In regard to Canyon Regional, Councilman Ken Greenwald mentioned that if the City doesn't run separate transmission lines, there is no way of getting the water from McQueeny to our lines except through Green Valley. Bobbie Vonada questioned the ramifications of not having an approved system versus having a non-approved system and was informed there are several :things, the main one being State } certification. Keith: Van Dine brought up the Schaefer water system bought by the City of .Schertz some years ago and wondered if they had their: own well'. Steve Simonson replied they did not, they just set up a transmission system and bought the water and-sold it to the residents. -2- , ~ Mr. :Van Dine related that lots of people in the Schirmerv area still have their water hauled in, they still use cisternse Steve Simonson stated the City has two wells at FM 3009 and FM2252 and-two near the Golden Corral in Universal City. Oliver- Nelson commented there must :have been a leak in one of the Universal City wells yesterday because of all the water running down Pat Booker Road from the direction of the tanks there. Steve Simonson informed Mr. radio-controlled, but it's Nelson their system is overflow or a valve might haveobeenlstuckre might have been an George Vick asked about the possibility of catching rainwater and treating it. Steve Simonson reported there had been some talk about claiming some of the water from the Cibolo Creek and building their own treatment plant, but it is extremely expensive. Councilman Ken Greenwald informed the Commission any water can be treated to drinking water quality, it depends on how much You want to pay for treatment of it. Commission that Dr. Howe from UTSA gives arvenwald told the talk on this subject. rY interesting Keith Van Dine mentioned recycling water where you have two faucets - one for drinking and one for bathin clothes, etc. Steve Simonson observed that is called thesgray water re-use system. Chairman Andrews, referring to the Objective where it mentions that before January 1, 1997 a seconda secured, asked if that's realistic.. s°urce of water will be replied it is realistic based on projectedcgr wthKen Greenwald Steve Simonson added that Schertz has well pumping ca acit a population of 50,000. P y for Mr. Simonson then went on to say there is lots of water conservation going on. There are new codes for homes, there is serious talk about gray water re-use, and the City is looking into a plan that would offer the (one for the house and one for outside)rty owner a second meter George Vick suggested using 1998 since that is five ears aw and the Plan should be updated once a Y ay year. Bobbie Vonada pointed out nothing can be done until the Edwards lawsuit is settled, but Councilman Ken Greenwald admitted the can press on with Canyon Regional. Y -3- ' ~ J. Electric George Vick asked if anything can be done about networking with ~ other- electrical. sources since GVEC has only .one pole. Councilman Ken Greenwald replied there is a second source of power, but it's on the same pole. Bobbie Vonada commented on windmills and George~Vick remarked that other areas of the country have grids. Steve Simonson noted that GVEC has grids, but Schertz is at the end of the wire. Chairman Andrews said he thought GVEC had mentioned looking into installing a loop so an incident like before, when the pole fell and everyone lost power, wouldn't happen again-. It was not known for sure if GVEC is still considering- that possibility. Steve. Simonson noted that one thing the City had looked into was buying the electrical system and being their own utility. They could buy from anybody. Gas ~ Oliver Nelson asked about the gas situation in Schertz and Steve Simonson informed him that GVEC outbid Entex every time when all the new subdivisions were built. GVEC made a deal the subdividers couldn't pass up - that field is strictly market driven. Chairman Andrews added that maybe Entex will be more agreeable when new subdivisions .start building, but Councilman Ren Greenwald said they can't give up the $750 tap fee, it is mandated by the Railroad Commission. When new developers come in, GVEC will have the edge. Steve Simonson commented GVEC has done a pretty good job and tries to cooperate with everyone. George Vick suggested maybe :.the City should look at buying its own system. .Sewer. Steve- Simonson pointed out :sewer is regional and mandated by the State. Telephone and Cable Chairman Andrews asked if anything more had been heard from Excel Cable. Councilman Ken Greenwald replied they are still. working. on it_, it:isn't dead yet. ~ . A . S. C~ ~ ~ \/j " George Vick made a motion to a =in the Development and Growth Planoon~Utilitiesen~OliversNetion seconded the motion and the'vote was .unanimous in favson Motion carried. or. #5 GENERAL DISCUSSION David Richmond: (a) Commented on recycling, saying the Schertz citizens had rate increase on January 1 and the only solution to the problem offered by Alamo Waste is a 96 gallon trash container and the citizens have to pay for the container. Mr. Richmond went on to explain that it seems we are totally being bypassed on recycling and stated he takes his recyclables to Randolph AFB. Universal City has a door to door recycling program and he feels something other than a 96 gallon trash container should be offered by Alamo Waste. Why can't they come up with some way of offering us curbside recycling? Why aren't they interested? Councilman Ken Greenwald pointed out they are interested, but the State raises dumping fees every year and there is a problem in the transfer of recyclables. Recycling is, however, the wave of the future. Mr• Richmond, noting we have no landfills, expressed the opinion something should be done. Steve Simonson indicated the government needs to get behind some incentives for recycling. Mr. Richmond that both Gail Douglas and MarknMarqueznhaved worked hard on the recycling program and he might want to contact them for information. Mr• Richmond wondered what Randolph AFB does with their recyclables and Steve Simonson said he would also like to know. Councilman Ken Greenwald related they are picked up by MWR and taken to Kelley AFB for salvage. Chairman Andrews asked if something should be included in t Development and Growth Plan about rec clin he agreed something should be included, so Steve Simonsonmsaidihe will add something which will be in their package for the ne meeting, xt Keith Van Dine• (a) Stated he thinks the Cit y needs to take a look at the .guy getting .water out on Pfeil Road. where 'he The pavement is~eroding away pulls in to hook up. Steve Simonson said- he would check into it. -5- l a o ~ ~ . ) Bobbie Vonada• Reported that the Schertz Business Association voted today to name their scholarship fund' the "James Shriver Memorial Scholarship Fund." The Commission liked that idea. M= Willman• (a) Remarked there are two streets in the City with the same name - Live Oak Road and Live Oak Blvd. Said he thought it would have been a good idea to have recommended Live Oak Road be named after Roy Richard instead of Jack Hays Blvd. being renamed. Chairman Andrews remarked that recommendation had been made. Mr. Andrews then asked where Live Oak Blvd. is and was informed in 13th row also known as Live Oak Hills Subdivision. After some discussion, Mr. Willman requested discussion of a possible name change for Live Oak Blvd. be placed on the next agenda and asked that the Commission have some names ready for suggestion to City Council. George Vick• (a) Asked what all the fill dirt is by the Animal Shelter and was informed by Steve Simonson they are filling in the erosion on the edge, but the dirt is not reaching the bottom of the creek. Mr. Simonson acknowledged he is keeping an eye on it. Councilman Ken Greenwald: (a) Reported that the name of Jack Hays Blvd. was officially changed to Roy Richard Dr. (b) Informed the. Commission that opening day for BVYA is April 3rd at 9:00 A.M. Steve Simonson• (a) Related that it looks-like we no longer have a buyer for . Greenshire -the RTC changed the rules. Also, Merwin Willman. showed him an article saying the RTC is moving from San Antonio to Dallas. Mr. Simonson .then told David Richmond he wanted him to be aware that Hallmark-Gharmley, who .were going to buy Greenshire, . ' were going to work with the homeowners on moving the Greenshire . entrance.. Now .that they're not buying, he .doesn't know -what will happen.. The City has no plans to .do anything with the entrance.- The same thing is ,true for Savannah Square and Woodland Oaks. -6- ~4.. 1 1 (b) Stated he had a long talk with the- eo le who bought the rest of Woodland Oaks. They are awarepthere is a drainage problem up there. Also, he saw a Master Plan and they are stubbing out going to FM 1518 and stubbing out going to the north. Told the Commission they may see a plat in the next 3-6 months. David Richmond asked who bought the rest of the property and Steve Simonson replied Dover. (c) Advised that the developers for Richland properties have bought the CDR property. (d) Commented the Commission should see a plat and a site plan soon for property around McDonald's and Diamond Shamrock. The main concern is sewer. Mr. Simonson brought in the Master Plan for Corridor 35 for the Commission to see and explained several ways they could run the sewer lines. Bobbie Vonada asked if they've indicated what's going in there and Steve Simonson replied an H.E.B. shopping center. Chairman And_ r_ews; (a) Asked if the building code requires water from your washer to tie into water Lines and Steve Simonson replied yes it does. Mr. Andrews asked if that can be changed, but Steve Simonson replied it is State mandated. (b) Inquired if Steve Simonson heard anything from Mark Vaughan regarding the plat for Greenshire Estates. Mr. Simonson replied he had heard nothing. George Vick recommended a list be added to-the agenda of tabled items and Mr. Andrews suggested it be the last. item before General Discussion. Bobbie Vonada requested the minutes of when the item was tabled also be listed. #6 AD•7OURNMENT Chairman Andrews adjourned the meeting at 8:20 P.M. The next regularly scheduled meeting is February 9, 1993.