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Planning and Zoning Minutes
May 14, 2002
The Schertz Planning and Zoning Commission convened in a regular session on May 14, 2002
at 7:00pm in the Municipal Complex at Council Chambers, 1400 Schertz Parkway, Schertz,
Texas.
PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION
David Richmond, Chairman
Ernie Evans, Vice-Chair
Ken Greenwald, ex-officio
Tony Moreno
William Sommers
Gary Wallace
Joyce Briscoe
Keith Van Dine
CITY STAFF
Ron Youngblood, City Planner
Misty Nichols, Recording Secretary
COMMISSIONERS ABSENT
OTHERS PRESENT
Bill McNeal, Lockhart Texas
Robert Brockman, 4505 Grand Forest
Larry Aiken/Don McCrary, 323 Breesport
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Call to Order:
Chairman Richmond opened the meeting at 7:00 p.m.
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Approval of minutes:
No minutes were submitted at this meeting.
#3 Status of Final Plats: Chairman Richmond stated that the Doerr Lane Subdivision
Plat was ready for recordation.
#4 BOA Actions: Mr. Sommers stated that the BOA had met on the previous night,
May 13th, and had approved a variance for Mr. Ron Coke. Mr. Sommers also stated there were
questions concerning P&Z's new meeting format of a planning workshop on the 2nd Tuesday and
a business meeting on the 4th Tuesday of the month. Mr. Sommers briefed the BOA members
that there were numerous other responsibilities that the P&Z Commissioners had other than
platting or site plan approvals. He told the BOA members that P&Z were reviewing the UDC,
discussing zoning and rezoning actions, and working on the City's Annexation Plan, just to name
a few.
Chairman Richmond asked if they had received a copy of the joint City/P&Z Commission letter
that outlined the changes in meeting procedures. Mr. Youngblood stated they did, and that it
had also been posted outside City Hall on the meeting notice board for several months.
#5 Citizen Input Other Than Agenda Items: Chairman Richmond indicated that there
were individuals signed up to speak, and he called on them in that order.
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The first speaker was Bill McNeal of Lockhart, Texas. Mr. McNeal stated that he wanted to
speak on a matter that used to be called the "Aurora Subdivision". Mr. McNeal stated he
represented a company called First National Acceptance Company of North America. In 1997,
an individual named Jackie Keith tried to develop a subdivision in Schertz and Cibolo on both
sides of Dietz Creek. He divided the subdivision into several lots which he sold to individuals
under contract for deed, but he didn't get these lots recorded with the City. Two of the
purchasers are here tonight, Mr. BUford Purser and Natalie Talbert, whose lots lie on the Schertz
side of the proposed development. Mr. Keith then sold the contract, the financial paper, on
these lots to a man named Jack Mallory who financed the purchase of the paper thorough my
company, First National Acceptance. As it turned out, he was not complying with either City's
subdivision's ordinances which was required as some of the lots were less than five acres.
Mr. McNeal stated that all of the lots on the Schertz side were more than five acres. On the
Cibolo side they were less than five acres. A lawsuit was filed by the Texas Attorney General's
office on behalf of the State of Texas and the consumers, including the Pursers, Talberts and
others in the subdivision, who were promised quite a few things. My client was named a
necessary party with no relief assigned against him; however I was appointed as his lawyer to
represent him in this lawsuit. We immediately began to work out some kind of plan to try to save
my client's investment and at the same time try to give the people who signed these contracts in
good faith an opportunity to properly buy the property. My client approved my plan for a
subdivision to be re-drawn on the Cibolo side to have lots greater than five acres. The plan also
devised a way for the purchasers to get a deed and owner's title policy, and sign a note of deed
and trust in the conventional financial way. The purchasers would have to put in their own
private road, utilities, and dedication of any public improvement, under government code Section
212.
Mr. McNeal further stated that after two years of a lot of money in lawyer and surveyor fees,
there was one lawsuit pending which involved a gentleman who had a piece of land on the
Schertz side which blocked the access of another property. We got an agreed judgment saying
that indeed we had access, both ingress and egress. On the Cibolo side, there was a private
easement granted to the benefit of the owners, but the initial property owner disagreed on what
the deed meant, and we had to join him as a third party defendant. We finally paid for an
agreement.
Mr. McNeal stated his client originally paid $144,000 for these contracts; his expenses now total
$190,000. Purchasers who have defaulted over the years have signed releases. The Pursers
and Tates have entered into contract with First National, but are subject to approval of the court.
At our request a Seguin judge has put these properties into receivership. There is a lawyer in
Seguin who is in receivership and has actual title to these properties. We did that for several
reasons, mainly because Jackie Keith still had title in his name and had not deeded out the land-
-these were only contracts. We feared other creditors or Mr. Keith might obey a court order not
to convey it so we have title and a receiver. This whole plan would have to be approved by the
District Courts.
Mr. McNeal stated that he wanted to inform both Cities of this situation and have the Schertz
Planning and Zoning Commission agree that the City does not have to approve anything.
However, other ordinances might apply and might affect the Pursers and Talberts who are the
only ones who have paid on their contracts and have not defaulted. Mr. Purser has contracted
to buy four additional lots, and will have a total of 25 acres. The Talberts purchased a second
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lot, originally owned by Patricia Smith who actually received a deed, that is next to the Juarez
property where we had trouble with the ingress and egress. So actually there is a 10-acre and a
25-acre tract on the Schertz side. The description in Mr. Purser's contract says five lots
because we didn't want to have that property resurveyed. I can show you the plats on the
Schertz side, which are by field note description.
The City is aware that a problem remains with physical access to both properties. The Talbert
tract will retain a permanent easement across her property so the Pursers can gain access to
their property. We understand both the Pursers and Talberts have to have their own water and
sewer lines; there can be a private easement agreement with no dedication to the public. GVEC
says they can get electricity. We want P&Z to know about this.
Mr. McNeal explained that Cibolo P&Z is aware, as is the Cibolo City Council, and both have
approved our plans. What that amounts to is that the City agrees to the statute which says we
don't have jurisdiction to enforce our subdivision ordinance. We don't want to hide the ball, but
rather let both Cities know our plan and that we're trying to solve this problem. I hope the
Schertz P&Z Commission will approve our plan. I understand this item is not on the agenda so I
am not sure you can take action.
Mr. Wallace asked what we would be approving if we could take action? Mr. McNeal stated that
you would be approving the fact that we are doing this without City approval; that there is a
provision where the City can say yes we have or we do not have jurisdiction to enforce the
subdivision ordinance. But we also want to ensure that when we give these folks a deed, the
City will allow them to hook up to the water and sewer systems and there are no problems like
that. There is also a physical access problem that both are aware of. This will have to be
worked out. Both parties have been talking to the City about this problem for several years and
hopefully that problem can be worked out.
Mr., McNeal stated what they are asking for is not approval of a subdivision plat. They are
asking for approval of this subdivision by field note description. They would like the City to be
aware so no adverse action will be taken. The Schertz City Attorney is also fully aware of this
matter and there has been an ongoing dialogue for several weeks.
Chairman Richmond stated that he appreciates being made aware of this problem and the plan
on how to correct the situation. He stated that all P&Z could do tonight is hear the presentation.
The issue would need to be placed on the agenda of a future P&Z meeting for discussion. In the
meantime, City Staff needs to review with the City Attorney and City Council on how to proceed
with this matter as it appears to be very complex with legal implications. If the Planning and
Zoning Commission includes this item on a future agenda, you will be notified prior to the
meeting.
Mr. McNeal stated that they were waiting for the Courts to approve the overall plan; now that
Cibolo has approved it, he hoped Schertz would approve it also. He said that he hoped it could
be done with no impact to the Pursers or Talberts and done the right way so there would be no
mess at the end.
Chairman Richmond stated it would be coordinated with our City Staff, City Council and our City
Attorney before they would make a recommendation.
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On a different subject, Mr. Brockman stated that he appreciated Misty telling the BOA they could
not take action on any item that was not given a 10-day notice in the paper.
#6 Consider and Take Appropriate Action: On a request from Don McCrary and
Associates for a final subdivision plat approval on Jonas Woods Unit II.
Chairman Richmond asked for staff input from Mr. Youngblood who stated that the Chairman
and Commissioners had agreed at the last P&Z to hear this action out of cycle. Mr. McCrary
provided the Commissioners with updated copies of the plat that contained the corrected items.
Mr. Aiken stated that the three items were corrected; flat curb detail, sidewalk detail for five foot,
and the curvilinear curbs. He said Public Works had told them that ductile ironwork pipe should
go down the center of the road. He further stated they would walk it with Public Works to
determine what trees would remain, and what exact road width and driveway issues could
prevent removal of good trees. He said they had reduced the width to 21 feet to save all the
trees. Mr. Youngblood stated that Mr. Truitt also needed to be involved to ensure all code was
correct. Mr. Aiken said that he was in contact with Mr. Truitt, and that the ROW would not
change.
Ms. Briscoe also stated she was concerned that the transplanted trees were not being taken
care of. Mr. Aiken stated that of the 264 trees transplanted into the village section, only 17 have
been lost. He stated that any remaining trees to be transplanted could be moved to the
playscape, school, or anywhere the City needed.
Chairman Richmond stated that the trees to be transplanted needed to be given a large root ball
when removed and then given a full year to see if they live. Properly removed and cared-for
trees should have at least a 40% success rate. An arborist told the City Manager that if a large
enough root ball was dug up and then planted in a large enough hole and properly watered, the
success rate is highly probable.
Mr. Evans asked Mr. Aiken about his statement, "the right of way will not vary." Mr. Aiken stated
that they first laid out the right of way, then went back and did a tree survey to determine how
many trees would be affected. They then went back to the City Staff to see if they had any
concerns on our planned ROW. The Fire Department had the most issues and stated that they
needed 24 feet as the minimum road width to get public safety vehicles into that street. By
weaving the street down to 21 feet at one point, Jonas Woods could save every tree in the
ROW, some having a DBH of 16 to 18 inches.
Mr. Evans stated that if you build the curb around the tree to save it, you have built into the
ROW. Mr. Aiken stated that curbs are always moved around in the ROW because of various
situations. It's a matter of is it 12 feet on this side and eight on the other side; that's where the
serpentine effect comes in. The driving factor in this situation is emergency fire, police and EMS
vehicles. As long as City Staff was comfortable that this street could be served safely, that gave
us some latitude in weaving the street; we're just trying to meet all the UDC, P&Z, and Public
Safety requirements.
Mr. Evan stated that the street was "straight-lined" on the plat. He referred to the UDC plat
section that says the plat is supposed to mirror what is built. He said that any shape, curves,
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islands, bumps, etc. were supposed to be reflected on the plat. He said it appears we are
making an exception to a platting rule by allowing this plat to be approved.
Mr. Aiken then asked to come to the white board to diagram his point. He showed a 50' ROW
with a 30-foot street. He then drew curbs and property lines. He showed that he could flex his
curb to either go in front of a tree or behind it to help save the tree. Either way, the curb was still
within the allotted 50'. Mr. Aiken said technically I'm not changing my plat and I'm not changing
my lot line.
Mr. Evans asked, "did you not change your road width to 28 feet under that scenario?" Mr.
Aiken stated that according to Fire and EMS, he could have cut the road width to 24 feet and
they would have been comfortable. Now, I have to deal with Public Works that informs me this
might not be adequate. We are trying to work with each department to ensure we do this right.
Just remember that the established 50-foot ROW does not change in any way -- it's always 50
feet. Remember, we went to the added expense of installing ductile iron pipe down the
centerline for water to avoid having to remove the trees. We could have put in no parking signs
along the street at the narrow points; however, we knew that wasn't going to work. City Staff all
agreed that the best course was to make the street a minimum of 24 feet to help save the trees
and allow access by public safety.
Mr. Sommers said that what he heard is that each department would have to give a waiver
saying that they were in agreement on the street width before this issue could come to P&Z. Mr.
Aiken stated that was what he had done. Again, he was just trying to save trees and comply
with all the public safety requirements. If the City Staff cannot live with this plan, then the trees
will have to come out, and he knows how dear the trees are to P&Z and the community. Mr.
Sommers said he didn't understand why you could not just paint the curb red to denote no
parking. Mr. Aiken stated that would work most of the time; however, this option was just not
practical.
Mr. Evans asked that everyone go to the notes on the plat, reference note 6 for lot 9, block 21. If
you look right under Schertz where Schertz Parkway is depicted on the plat, you'll find it. That's
the greenbelt easement for that area. Mr. Evans then asked Mr. McCrary, "What is the true
purpose for that strip of land that's labeled "common area" between lots 11 and 12?" Mr.
McCrary stated that this is dedicated access to the common area in back of those lots. Mr. Truitt
was informed that they wanted to grow some additional trees in the common areas for the
benefit of the homeowners. He stated that all common areas had to be cleared within 75 feet of
a structure. He said it was necessary to have a point of access for the HOA to get to these
areas to allow them to be maintained.
Mr. Sommers stated that he hoped that this was not a case of the "camel getting his nose under
the tent" and P&Z expecting to see a change of plat later on in the process with a variance
attached to it. Mr. Aiken stated no, that the ROW has been defined, the trees to be saved have
been identified, and Public Safety and Public Works have coordinated hopefully to everyone's
satisfaction. Any trees we can't save, we will be glad to donate to the City's transplant program.
Chairman Richmond asked if there were any further discussion on this matter. With none, the
Chairman asked for a motion.
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Mr. Van Dine moved to approve the request from Don McCrary and Associates for a final
subdivision plat approval for Jonas Woods, Unit II. Mr. Moreno seconded the motion. A vote
was taken, and all members voted to approve the final plat with the exception of Mr. Evans who
abstained. Chairman Richmond declared the motion passed.
#7 Items by Commissioners and City Planner:
Ms. Briscoe stated she was having trouble understanding how developers, who get credit for
leaving trees, later can let trees damaged in development die. For example in front of
Walgreen's, there are four dead trees, and I'm not too sure the big one in the middle of the
parking lot is going to make it. Does our UDC say the owner is supposed to remove and replace
the dead ones? The UDC states that trees are supposed to be maintained in a live and healthy
state, and I don't believe Walgreen's is doing that. What can we or should we do about this? Do
we need to strengthen our ordinance on this issue? I think that Walgreen's has damaged those
trees by trimming them up as high as they could, not putting the proper pruning paint on them,
and letting the trees die.
Mr. Evans stated that the City allowed Walgreens to wrap the saved trees right up to three feet
from the base of the tree.
Developer Larry Aiken asked to speak from his perspective. He said that developers are driven
by volume yield per acre. He stated that if you write an ordinance that is so restrictive that
developers must salvage every possible tree that they can, even if the odds of those trees
surviving is remote, it would be impossible. For example, if you have a heritage or protected
tree and it has to be removed, give the developer an option to remove it and plant it elsewhere
where the City wants or needs it. For example, if the tree mitigation was say $2250.00, I could
move a lot of trees and water them for 90 days until they got established. At least it gives the
developers options to help save trees and hopefully a large percentage of them will survive.
Chairman Richmond stated that is not the issue and Joyce agreed. The issue is when the
developer has mitigated trees in lieu of payment some responsibility must rest with the
developer or owner to maintain them. And, if the trees die in Walgreens case, our UDC says
they must be maintained in a healthy state and dead ones removed. It is not clear if they have
to be replanted, inch for inch. Chairman Richmond asked Mr. Youngblood to staff this with the
Building Official and even possibly with the City Attorney to see if P&Z has any recourse to make
Walgreens take out the trees and replant.
Mr. Youngblood said he would staff this and report back to P&Z at a future meeting. He said the
Staff first needs to try and come up with a workable solution to a problem before we get the City
Attorney involved; legal fees are getting out of sight.
Chairman Richmond asked the Staff to include in the next planning meeting an agenda item for
action to address paragraph (C) 7.1 as it reads pretty clear. He would also like the Staff to see
what the other cities in the local area are doing to see how we stack up. He said this appears to
be enforcement rather than an ordinance issue.
Mr. Evans then stated a need to review the zoning on Schertz Parkway now that it's being
redone. He stated that some of the properties are not zoned, e.g. Savannah School, and some
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of the properties need to be rezoned as NS (Neighborhood Services) vs. GB (General
Business ).
Chairman Richmond stated there also is a need to look at FM 3009 for the same reason. Elbel
Road to FM 78 is all GB (General Business), and there needs to be a review of this area to
make sure it fits into our overall plan.
Mr. Youngblood briefed the group on the Smart Growth Workshop in San Antonio last weekend.
Mr. Moreno asked when/where is the APA Conference this year. Misty said 2-5 Oct in EI Paso.
Mr. Evans then brought up the Jackie Keith property situation that Mr. McNeal had briefed the
P&Z on earlier. Mr. Evans stated that he remembered when Mr. Keith came to P&Z several
years ago to have this subdivision plat approved. Mr. Evans noted that it was flat out
disapproved because it did not meet the standards and criteria of our UDC, and the fact that all
this property was in the City's 1 OO-year flood plain. He stated the P&Z Commission would be ill
advised to approve anything, especially any variances on drainage or flood plain management,
until it is clearly shown that all standards we hold every citizen and developer to have been met.
By the way, P&Z would not make that decision, City Council would, and I don't think we now
could give them a favorable recommendation for any kind of variances.
Mr. Youngblood stated that this was a very serious on-going problem especially with Mr. Purser,
Ms. Talbert, and Mr. Juarez. As a matter of fact, Mr. Juarez was very upset with the City
because in the 1998 flood, he claims he sat on the roof of his house during the height of the
flood and could not leave his property, nor would the City come and rescue him.
Mr. Wallace stated that Mr. McNeal said that Cibolo had approved his plan. Councilman Ken
Greenwald stated that just because Cibolo had approved the plan didn't mean that we should
jump in there and approve something unless we were sure it was legal, correct, and the right
thing to do for our citizens.
Chairman Richmond stated that we heard Mr. McNeal's proposal, and we can't act tonight
anyway as it wasn't an agenda item. He suggests the City Staff and our legal folks review this
with a fine-tooth comb, and come back and brief us on what is the proper and legal thing to do
for the City and the property owners.
Mr. Greenwald informed the Commissioners of an upcoming trip to the Gonzales well head site
and invited anyone who wanted to go to let the front office know so they could have a seat and a
meal available. It will be this Saturday and they plan to leave early.
Mr. Youngblood briefed the Commissioners that TXDoT had given the City a letter of intent to
improve the intersection of 1-35 and FM 3009 for about $1.5 million. He stated that this is not
100%; however, it was good to have TXDoT on our side to help get this on the books as a good
project.
Mr. Evans stated that he wanted to commend Mr. Truitt and his staff for all the wonderful
enforcement he's seen over the past several weeks. He can tell they've been very busy. He
also stated that we're starting to see a lot of agenda items, and we need to be careful to keep
the action items off the planning meetings. It seems like we're starting to slip back into a two-
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action-item-per-month-meeting just like we had before. We're never going to get moving ahead
on these critical items, e.g. rezoning, planning, annexation, unless we bear down. Also, I know
that Ron and Misty are real busy with such a small office and everyone wanting to come build in
town. There is a lot of work that goes on with each one of these projects which takes a lot of
Staff time to have them done right before they even get here. Remember, just to the West of us
that City can take up to several months just to get an item on the agenda. Don't forget, we're not
in a big hurry if it's not being done right. Anyway, Planning is doing a pretty good job, with just
two people and considering the size of our City and the development pressure I'm seeing out
here.
Chairman Richmond stated he agreed and that we need to hold everyone to the January 2002
letter that clearly outlines the new rules. However, he did say there will always be extenuating
circumstances and hopefully these would be the exception and not the rule. He said he just
wants to ensure the City Staff has ample time to evaluate each agenda item without pressure
from the developer or anyone until the City Planner feels it's ready to come before the
Commissioners for action. He also brought to the Commissioners' attention that there were
several new staff members, e.g. Fire Chief and Police Chief, who would require time to learn the
UDC and the lay of the land to help us provide the best possible decision for the items that come
before us.
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Adjournment:
Meeting was adjourned at 8:42 p.m.
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