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PLANNING AND ZONING MINUTES
The Schertz Planning and Zoning Commission conducted a public hearing
on Tuesday, May 28, 1991 at 7:00 P.M. in the Municipal Complex
Council Chambers, 1400 Schertz Parkway. Those present were as follows:
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
OTHERS PRESENT
BOB ANDREWS, CHAIRMAN
JIM SHRIVER, VICE-CHAIRMAN
KEITH Vk~ DINE, SECRETARY
HARRY BAUMAN
GARY BRICKEN
COUNCILPERSON KEN GREENWALD
BOBBIE VONADA
CITY STAFF
MEMBERS ABSENT
STEVE SIMONSON,
ASST. CITY MANAGER
NORMA ALTHOUSE,
RECORDING SECRETARY
MERWIN WILLMAN
GEORGE VICK
#1 CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Andrews called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M.
Mr. Andrews explained the rules of procedure that would be used for
the public hea~ing:~.;."
#2 PUBLIC HEARING: Zoning Change #101
To receive citizen input on four proposed changes to the Zoning
Ordinance. Those changes involve: ( 1 ) Article XXII Parking
Regulations; ( 2 ) Article XXIV Site Plan Review Requirements;
( 3 ) Article XXV Landscaping; and ( 4) due to the incorporation of site. .
plan procedures, changes to Article X and Articles XII through xx.
#3 ADJOURNMENT OF PUBLIC HEARING
There being no questions or comments from citizens and none from the
Commission, Chairman Andrews adjourned the public hearing at 7:04 P.M.
The Schertz Planning and
seSSlon, after the public
Room.
Zoning Commission convened in a regular
hearing, in the Municipal Complex Conference
#4 CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Andrews called the meeting to order at 7:05 P.M.
#5 APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Regular Session May 14, 1991
Harry Bauman made a motion to approve the minutes for the regular session
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There lS room for a qualitative rating question area so long as the
rating system allows for definition:
a) Mark the following items in the order oE importance to you.
Quality of the environment
Above average police protection
Recreation area in or near Schertz
Convenient shopping for all daily needs
Easy access to all major highways
24 hour fire protection
Keeping the business district distinct and
separate from the housing areas
Mr. Bricken replied this is just a sample.
After some discussion, Jim Shriver commented he would like to take what he
has so far and put it into survey form and bring it to the next meeting for
the Commission's review. After that, if everyone is in agreememt, he
should be able to finalize it for production.
Gary Bricken stressed the need for the Commission to look at how the
City is going to make money in the future. Mr. Bricken mentioned the
large number of retired military people 1n the area and the
responsibility of the City to provide a pla~e that will draw them to
Schertz to reside.
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Mr. Bricken noted it has been his observation that, although most of
them go out and get a civilian job after retirement, a retired sergeant
has enough income from his/her military retirement to make the house
payment and. pay taxes. This is a base that people who are not retired
military co not have.
Councilperson Ken Greenwald listed
military people tend to settle near
Those reasons include medical services,
and recreation facilities.
several reasons why retired" .
a military base after retirement.
commissary and BX privileges,
Gary Bricken then questioned why a retired military person would
choose Schertz over Universal City, Marion, Converse or New
Braunfels, and asked if anyone knows the percentage of retired
military people living in Schertz.
Keith Van Dine replied that, in his opinion, it's probably an even
spread among the surrounding cities of where retired military people
choose to reside. Mr. Van Dine also pointed out that just because
retired military people live in Schertz, that doesn't make it a
retired community. There may be industry in Schertz in the future.
Steve Sioonson related that past figures reflected that almost 50% of the
residents of Schertz were retired military.
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Chairman Andrews j,ntcrjected that according to a friend of his who
on the appraisal board for Guadalupe County, the figure 1S now
to 75%
serves
closer
Harry Bauman offered the opinion that there is a diversity of housing
in Schertz which attracts retired military.
Steve Simonson mentioned the ease of access to major highways and to
San Antonio, the terrain, and the ambiance in Schertz as attractions
to settle here. Mr. Simonson then related the fact that you save money
once you corne across the creek - from Bexar County to Guadalupe County.
Mr. Simonson also informed the Commission that retired military people,
will not be as demanding on City services as others will be.
Bobbie Vonada spoke up at
they built their home
lower utility rates.
this time
in Schertz
and
were
said
the
several of
lower tax
the reasons
rates and the
Chairman Andrews also pointed out that car insurance is cheaper 1n
Guadalupe County.
Gary, Bricken, noting the difference in taxes, said he can't understand
why someone would buy in Bexar County"~right on the Guadalupe COUllty line.
To that Chairman Andrews commented because they don't know Schertz is here.
Harry Bauman mentioned the possibility that when they come into the City
from, say Universal City, the first thing they see is older housing
and they don't realize there are housing subdivisions along Jack Hays
Blvd.
Bobbie Vonada also emphasized how trashy the entrance into the City
looks along FM 78 and made reference to the empty buildings.
Chairman Andrews thought that might be an idea for some kind of
question on the survey and Harry Bauman agreed saying a good question
would be to ask the citizens how they found out about Schertz.
Steve Simonson explained he had told Mark Marquez what the
Commission's doing as far as composing questions that can be answered
with a yes or a no, and Mr. Marquez said, from his point of view, yes
and no answers are hard to quantify by computer.
Gary Bricken commented that may be, but good, fair and poor answers
are faulty. We are striving to make answering this survey something that
people want to do.
Chairman Andrews passed around a copy of an article Merwin Willman had
distributed to the Commission some time ago and asked everyone if they
still had their copy. The article has to do with seven s~ages in the
writing of a Comprehensive Plan. Everyone present except Ke~th Van Dine
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had a copy.
Chairman Andrews showed a binder to the Commission full of items he
has accumulated pertaining to the Comprehensive Plan.
Gary Bricken recommended some light reading to the Commissioners which
he felt is very interesting and fascinating. It's a book entitled "The
Day America Told the Truth" and is basically about where people think
they are going as a nation.
Mr. Bricken stated that America is changing, partly because of the lack
of population, and one thing that needs to be determined, in regard to
future taxes, is if citizens realistically want more and more services.
Chairman Andrews referred to a survey he had read about that revealed
people are willing to pay less than half per day for police protection
than what they pay per day for cable TV.
This prompted discussion on crime and Gary Bricken mentioned that
Schertz seems to be blessed with an extremely low crime rate.
Keith VanDine remarked that the numher of parole cases in Guadalupe
County has gone from 35 cases and one officer to two officers and a
thi:r.~ offig~l" part of the time e. M~ e.Van '. Dine" estimated.theIlumb~r of
c'ases' '. has", increased by 70 to',,;80 "t,', percent~i;'in':the'last' -fouryears.r:>,: Mr..""
Van Dine related he is trying to set up a satellite office in Seguin~
Gary Bricken, saying that many people write their own rules, asked how
you avoid becoming a zoo.
Councilperson Ken Greenwald expl~ined that one big step in preventing
it from becoming a zoo is enforcement of .the Zoning Ordinance. Mr:-
Greenwald told the Commission to take a look at other cities, for
example, Houston.
steve Simonson pointed OU'C that one thing you have to recognize is
citizens have to protect their own home - the police stand for keeping
public order. Mr. Simonson went on to say the country ha3 been changing
Slnce the 50's. The family is no longer the nucleus and there is a
bigger gap between the rich and the poor. We have to put in the
Comprehensive Plan what we for see for the city of Schertz in the next 20
years.
Keith Van Dine observed that people have lost faith in police
protection. That's why you see an increase in the purchase of guns
and why you see vigilante groups popping up allover the country.
Gary Bricken referred to an
about a small town planner
article and how it applies or
smaller cities.
article in
and there
does not
last month's APA magazine
was a brief discussion on that
apply to Schertz and other
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Going back to discussion on projects
indicated he will have an outline ready
see that everyone rece1ves a copy.
for the intern, Chairman Andrews
by the next meeting and will
Keith Van Dine voiced the opinion that the Commission needs to know
what the intern expects from them.
Jim Shriver reminded the Commission they had discussed putting
articles in the Newsletter about the survey and asked the Commission
if they want him to go ahead with the articles. The Commission said
yes. Mr. Shriver said he will produce an article for review at the
next meeting.
Mr. Shriver then told
~o put the drop boxes.
the Commission he needs suggestions
About a dozen places were suggested.
for
places
C. Miscellaneous
Chairman Andrews admitted he thought miscellaneous discussion on the
Comprehensive Plan had pretty well been covered already.
#9 GENERAL DISCUSSION
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(a) Reported a water leak in the same old spot on Pfeil Road.
(b) Presented an idea on how to persuade Mr. Tudyk to change his mind
about the bar ditch. Suggested, perhaps, since the City always has to
clean up his mess after a heavy rain, they charge him for it, if it's
legal to do so.
Mr. Van
property.
Dine asked if the City has an easement
steve Simonson replied they have a narrow one.
on Mr.
Tudyk's
Steve Simonson:
(a) Announced there 1S a tour scheduled for June 29th with City
Council, Planning and Zoning Commission, and the Economic Development Task
Force participating. Said they will be looking at the whole City from
Eckhardt Road all the way to Schirmerville.
Keith Van Dine interrupted to
might be asked on the survey.
citizens if they prefer Schertz
City, or become a big metropolis.
say that reminded him of a question that
Mr. Van Dine suggested asking the
to stay a small City, a middle-sized
Jim Shriver:
(a) Asked if the City has any way of tracking new legislation which
may effect, for example, ordinances.
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Councilperson Ken
City Council with
Attorney for review.
Greenwald informed
updates and also
Mr. Shriver that
provides updates to
T~L provides
the City
Keith Van Dine mentioned there is an 800 number you can call to find
out the status of a particular bill.
Chairman Andrews:
(a) Referred to the letter, written by Merwin Willman and distributed
to everyone in their package, directed to City Council asking them to
review and possibly consider making changes to the Ordinance
pertaining to platting fees along Schertz parkway. Mr. Andrews said
if everyone agrees with what is written, he will sign it and send it
forward. The Commission agreed with what was written in the letter.
(b) Questioned if a figure had been included in
consultant. steve Simonson replied he had put extra
consultant and also for travel and publications.
the figure he had put in for the consultant was $2500.
agreed that should be sufficient.
the budget for a
money in for a
Mr. Simonson said
The Commission
#10 ADJOURNMENT
Chairman~;~ndrews,,; adjourned' the':imeeting'~)~a.t:'18:05:"J?:~M
The next regularly scheduled meeting is June 11, 1991.
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